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    Default Of Maps and Eagles and Jigsaw Puzzles

    Greetings on a warm, sunny spring morning in the Bayou State of Louisiana!

    I'm close to finishing the questions, and after I saw C11 Q8, I just can't keep quiet anymore.

    'Quest for the Golden Eagle' is turning out to be the most intricately-constructed treasure hunt I've ever encountered. These clues and mini-puzzles are amazing, and you have GOT to see how this thing starts coming together.

    If you've been randomly submitting map guesses on a daily basis, just stop. You're wasting your time and bandwidth. I've made no submissions yet because I haven't managed to put everything together.

    And, there's a LOT to put together.

    I'm gonna try to help you get started....

    1. On the web site are a series of strange symbols. Some cursory research will reveal that they are planetary symbols. There are some odd things about these:

    a. The symbol for Jupiter appears with four pairs of subsequent symbols that makes one think this:

    Jupiter: 1st pair 2nd pair 3rd pair 4th pair

    b. The symbol for Earth appears on a different page of the web site in a similar fashion:

    Earth: TOOLS MENU

    c. The symbol for Mercury is incorrect.

    d. On the Cipher page of the web site is a giant SUN with more of these symbols that have nothing to do with anything else taking place on that page.

    In other words, without a lot of heavy lifting, one has discovered four of the planets with some sort of clue or puzzle attached to it. Something's up with the planets.

    If you were very, very observant, at the end of the chapter 7 poem, you found the following 'incorrect' translation: LABEL LE ETOILE--LABEL THE STAR

    If your index of suspicion is raised, one would recognize this as being a possibility for one of these planetary clues/puzzles (which it is).

    2. The Optic Cross: Do you really think this author expected you to spend 15 minutes searching for a red dot to help you spot the extra letters in chapter 1--something a 4th grader could do? Or, that you'd need help figuring out that C2 Q10 is Morse Code?

    Put your thinking caps on, guys. What do you really think is going on here?

    3. The search for a silver eagle map begins in chapter 9. You need to figure out the puzzles around the three keys. What do they symbolize? What order do they need to be used in? Once you do this, you'll have the instructions to construct an alphabet. And, according to the story, we'll use these keys to 'unlock the box'. It ain't a treasure chest this is referring to, but some 'boxes' at the end of each chapter--which I haven't successfully unlocked as yet.

    4. I want to help you solve a specific puzzle to illustrate what's going on. This is the first one I solved weeks ago.

    Optic Cross Chapter 2

    a. Go to the question in chapter 2 that this clue implies.
    b. Collect its one word answer.
    c. As the clue suggests, spell this one word answer backwards.
    d. Encode this reversed word as the clue suggests.
    e. Change the groupings. Solve.

    You will have collected your first piece of a very large puzzle.

    In summary, there is no silver bullet here. We have a tremendous number of separate clues and mini-puzzles which will need to be solved before the correct solution to a map is attained.

    And, oh what a puzzle this appears to be.

    Working on C12 Q20,

    Doc

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    With all due respect, Doc, I think you're experiencing apophenia (i.e. seeing patterns or connections in data that is random), especially with the Optic Cross chapter 2 clue. Not to mention that the smaller the volume of data, the more likely it is to resemble something that appears significant.

    The author has said he wants families to be able to participate in this hunt, and while we may be better-than-average puzzle solvers, the same cannot be said for your average family with 2.5 kids that have jobs and school. Not everyone (including, if I recall correctly, people on this board) realizes that connecting the extra letters in Chapter 1 produces a message, or recognizes Morse code.

    You may be on to something with the planets and symbols, however, but it seems like you're grasping at straws.
    To be fair, I've tried your suggestion with the clue in chapter 2, and while there have been several 'good' possibilities, without further information I can't say that anything really feels significant. Besides, given the plethora of mistakes so far (that have been confirmed to be mistakes by the support staff), I just can't take random patterns or connections seriously. What is the more likely scenario, in my opinion, is that he is artificially extending the hunt by 'releasing' clues over time. Sure ALL the information might be there, in the book, to theoretically solve the maps, but without the clues to extract this data, I think we're grasping at straws.

    As for the "labelleetoile," this can't be "label le etoile" simply because in French 'le' + 'word starting in a vowel' is always contracted to L+apostrophe, which means "the star" would be "l'etoile."
    I don't have my book handy at the moment to confirm, but weren't the clues in chapter 7 just a string of letters? In which case, "labelleetoile" is "la belle etoile" or "the beautiful star".
    And with things like "look'd" (that exact spelling) appearing in the poem, it seems like the author took the original poem in English and ran it through Google Translate just to make it a bit harder.

    Anyhow, if you think I'm missing something with your chapter 2 clue, feel free to post what you got here (or PM me), but I really do think we're just at the mercy of the author for this one.

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    Kokuou,

    When you solve the clue at Optic Cross Chapter 2, you get this:

    7 KEY: A EAST

    By itself, I'm in complete agreement that it means absolutely nothing.

    When you find cipher keys for every number 0 - 9, however, it might not be 'nothing' anymore.

    Work on the main three keys: the omega key, the scratched off key, and the dove key. The very fact the omega key is mentioned elsewhere in a clue should let you know something important is hiding here.

    I'll try to get you started: The order of the three keys is hidden by invisible ink.

    Doc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc View Post
    When you solve the clue at Optic Cross Chapter 2, you get this:

    7 KEY: A EAST


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    Doc, How ever did you get this result from the Optic Cross? Mine says something quite different and frankly, quite apparently useless....___._.

    Can you elaborate?

    Thanks

    S

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    Guys,
    Lets make sure we don't start putting down ideas. This hunt is very elaborate and must have a lot of "hidden" clues and puzzles to solve. The author appears to pride himself in his puzzle solving skills and therefore has developed a challenging hunt for us to tackle. I, for one, welcome any suggestion to try that may help in this quest, even if it leads to dead-ends. Afterall, nothing ventured, nothing gained.

    As for Doc's idea, I too got the same answer to the 'clue' and am taking close examination of everything. There are a lot of anomolies and things that just have no reason to be there. I think the optic cross clues may very well contain double meanings. One optic cross clue says "Look for what doesn't belong". It could mean the extra text in the chapter story, or a clue to look for in the extraneous, bits and pieces throughout the hunt, like the planet symbols,etc ....

    With the prizes that are available, I am sure that the author is NOT going to make this hunt a cakewalk. He wants us to put a lot of work into this so that we would appreciate the experience.

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    Steve,

    What you got from the Optic Cross DOES appear useless:

    edoC esroM

    That's part of my point. You don't need to spend 15 minutes looking for a red dot to tell you that there's a Morse Code puzzle in chapter 2.

    This isn't a clue to help you solve a chapter question. It's a PUZZLE, and this is its solution:

    1. Go to the Morse Code question in chapter 2 and collect its answer A L C A T R A Z.
    2. As the clue suggests, spell it backwards: Z A R T A C L A
    3. Encode this into Morse Code:
    --../.-/.-./-/.-/-.-./.-../.-
    4. Keep the same sequence of dots and dashes, but change their groupings:
    --.../-.-/./-.--/.-/./.-/.../-

    7 KEY A EAST

    This is the 'key' for '7'. We'll place 'A' to the 'east'. You'll need to find the keys for the other digits.

    I'll try to help you with another one, the key for '2': C8 Q9.

    There's a very deliberate 'mistake' in the question: STAYTS. The clue is YT = TE.

    1. Gather the answer to the question: NEW YORK POST
    2. Make the substitutions suggested by the clue: YT = TE
    N E W T O R K P O S E
    3. Solve the anagram: TWO: PROSE 'KEN'.
    4. Solve the riddle: In prose, 'ken' means 'SEE'

    TWO: SE-E.

    For '2', we will place 'E' to the SE.

    The problem isn't that we need additional clues from the author. The problem is that we have so DARNED MANY clues now it's hard to make heads or tails of them.

    Doc

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    How does 'KEN' mean 'SEE' in prose? I'm not even sure what that means, considering prose is simply a style of writing.

    Don't get me wrong; I'm not trying to stifle ideas. I'm just curious is all.

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    Hey everyone; can we keep actual solution discussions out of public forums? If I were the author and Doc's solution is correct, I very well might pull the plug on this.

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    Steve,

    My apologies. I just wanted to help spark some enthusiasm for this hunt. I'm getting the impression that folks are answering the chapter questions and have no way forward. I don't want folks to finish the book and feel like they ran headfirst into a brick wall. After hitting a wall for a while, initial enthusiasm wanes, and their hunt ends.

    And this hunt deserves a better fate...

    I was hoping to generate a little enthusiasm on a respected treasure hunt forum to help spur some sales of his book.

    There's a TON more stuff besides what I've posted--just trying to get folks to see the indvidual trees and have some sense about the immensity of the actual forest.

    I guess the best thing I can do would be to actually solve this beast and promote it that way.

    I'll get cracking....



    Doc

    PS--Send a private message if you have any questions or comments.

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    No worries Doc; that might have come across a little more harsh than I meant it. As time goes by and we get more and more stuck, the impulse for everyone to share will continue to grow. We'll probably need an occassional reminder that there's a fine line between sharing ideas and solutions... and unfortunately the rules are vague enough that we don't really know where that line is!

    Cheers!
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