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    We've seen a break like that before -- in the invisible ink clue. I wonder if they are somehow related?

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    As one of my patriotic duties today I reread the Declaration of Independence and in doing so I checked it against the numbers in Chapter 13 1/2. And I can with fair certainty say that there is no connection between these two documents. Any attempt to count the letters of the DoI and use these letters as a substitute for the numbers in Ch 13 1/2 results in pure gibberish. While I initially found this theory compelling because of its connection to the National Treasure movies, I will no longer be perusing this avenue of decoding the numbers. If curious parties inquire for more information I'm happy to discuss this theory (or similar avenues) at length.

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    Kain,

    Did you use the book as the key, and perhaps the numbers themselves ARE the Declaration of Independence?

    I appreciate knowing that the Declaration is NOT the key.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc View Post
    Kain,

    Did you use the book as the key, and perhaps the numbers themselves ARE the Declaration of Independence?

    I appreciate knowing that the Declaration is NOT the key.
    Well,
    The only material I'm sure isn't the key is the DoI. The others are well....long...have different versions....and basically just lead to too much possibility for error. Although, a certain chapter of the Da Vinci Code is mentioned in the compendium as being a possible source material. I might try that next.
    Not sure why you think the numbers would decode to the DoI, but on the off chance that you are correct about that, what would it mean and how would it help you solve any current or future part of the hunt?

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    While reading the "errata" again I ran across something that I wanted to get other opinions on.

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    Page 8 4th line  Alrighty should match line 23
    This instructs us to change the words "All righty" to "Alrighty".

    Small change but got me thinking. Wouldn't this rule out the use of the book itself as a source for any Beale/reference type ciphers?

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    Good point. I would hope so!

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    Playing with this again.

    666 "numbers" split into two sections. 666 seems significant.

    The numbers vary from 1 to 4 digits and contain zeros. An example is "6000". Only ONE number that is ONE digit though.

    Numbers range from 6 to 6534. There are duplicates. The majority are not repeated. There is one that is repeated 11 times "6007".

    It feels like a book/ottendorf/beale type cipher.

    The number would have to be the WORD or CHARACTER number from a source though.

    The presence of a single digit number precludes something like PW, PLW, or PLC where P is Page, L is Line, and W is Word. i.e. 5985 is page 59, line 8, word 5. The zeros (i.e. 6000) also preclude these types of ciphers.

    Thus we would have to have a source that has 6,500 Characters or Words.

    As an example the Declaration of Independence has just over 6,500 Characters.

    A source with 6,500 WORDS is gonna be pretty long...

    If the numbers are references, then my theory is that the number is a Character number reference.

    (Just thinking out loud)

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    So my numbers agree pretty well with yours.
    666 numbers (554 unique number, 83.2% Unique)
    296 even number, 370 odd numbers (44.4% Even, which seems a little low)

    Bin Frequency
    0 - 500 69
    501 - 1000 44
    1001 - 1500 42
    1501 - 2000 38
    2001 - 2500 49
    2501 - 3000 33
    3001 - 3500 32
    3501 - 4000 27
    4001 - 4500 46
    4501 - 5000 34
    5001 - 5500 35
    5501 - 6000 43
    6001 - 6500 135
    6501 - 7000 39

    Which sucks because the 6001 - 6500 bin has way too many numbers (20.3%) so late in the text that you are bound to make an error before you get there. Also, the numbers up to 1000 are only 17.0% of the coded text, so you can transcribe a whole page from a book and still not have enough letters next to each other to form more than a few words.
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    Just noticed something, the original National Treasure (the movie) is not used as a reference in the chapter questions. Its the second movie National Treasure Book of Secrets that is extensively referenced. Hmmm...

    Its the first movie that has the book cipher in the plot. In the movie it was referenced as an "Arnold Cipher" - Arnold Cipher - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    "The end of the story"

    Does anyone think this is a clue to the numbers or something else?

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