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And, by the way, I'm totally sympathetic to your problem with these sorts of puzzles.

I'm honest enough with myself to realize I had zero, and I mean ZERO, chance of solving the 240 questions without a lot of help from folks like you and boatdaddy and the good folks here at tweleve.

Playfair ciphers = Spawns of Satan

You've helped me slug through the 240 questions--I'll try to help you complete a map.

Game on?

Doc

2. " You've helped me slug through the 240 questions--I'll try to help you complete a map.
Game on?"

Appreciate the thought. However, I don't think you are anywhere near a right method. I still don't see how any of your steps are anything other than coincidence or wishful thinking.

" 1. The first key: I've been asked not to specifically discuss the location of this clue, but contained within the text of chapter 1 is a clue that is definitively linked to an iteration of 'first' and an 'X'. The author had already kindly told us on his facebook clue that for chapter 1, Omega = A. If you manage to locate this clue in the chapter, you were supposed to figure out that X = A by virtue of the tenth letter of the clue (X = Roman numeral 10) being an 'A'"

I know what you are talking about here, and it is NOT part of the hunt. You are talking about an anagram that appears in the first chapter which looks suspicious because it spells out something interesting. Turns out it is nothing but a coincidence. This was verified when the author published a new clue on Facebook a couple of weeks ago: "Chapter 1 clue: Noitulossihtfognikamehtnidesuerewsmarganaon". So that iteration of "X" you are seeing at the start of Chapter 1 was NOT used in the making of the solution. Your first key has been debunked by the author himself.

"GEORGE B": "This film chronicles a few days in the life of the simple-minded George (David Morse) and his new girlfriend Angela (Nina Siemaszko), who works in a Wal-Mart-like clothing store and lives with her rich, snooty mother."

We're supposed to realize that "George B" refers to an extremely obscure movie that has nothing whatsoever to do with treasure hunts, Washington, adventure, or treasure? So obscure that almost no one has ever heard of it? It just doesn't at all fit in with the way Ron does things. If it was a movie about pirates or Washington state or had a picture of a jeep on the front cover of the DVD, then perhaps I'd be somewhat interested, but even then there are no clues suggesting that we need to be googling for movies.

And what clue tells us to take the last name of the lead character in the movie? It's just so arbitrary. None of the given clues in the hunt support googling for movies or extracting names of actors. Since we must assume CLUES will lead us to the solution (since that's what Ron says), I don't see how your second key makes sense.

If we're going to allow for arbitrary google searches, then we must also consider:

"George B McClellan" : a general (OMG! A leader of men like Washington!) during the American Civil War and presidential candidate (like Washington! OMG!) He was part of the Union ("something that can be divided into equal parts! OMG!")

or any other number of "George Bs"...

" 3. The third key: The other name of DB Cooper is Charles Proctor III. The 'III' flags this as being the clue for the THIRD key. Again, google can be our friend. The answer is found in comics. A very famous 'proctor' or teacher named Charles was Charles Xavier, or Professor X of the X-men."

I agree that the III may be signaling something here. I'm not sure what. Perhaps it is related to a "third key", but it could be signaling the 3rd key in the sequence, or simply that the number 3 is important. The most rational conclusion (IF the III is important, which we can't even be sure of) is that Charles military code is 3. So the 3rd key in the 20 digit sequence is "3".

Or, perhaps the omega key (whatever omega means) IS 3, since "Charles Proctor III" the name HOLDS the omega key, and III is contained in the name, AND you could argue that Charles Proctor is the "ghost of Cooper's past". That (using clues given to us) is a far more logical conclusion than searching the internet for a "proctor named Charles and taking the pretend alias of a pretend character and extracting a one letter abbreviation" I would think.

So, I just don't see it...

3. Lobster,

I do not interpret the Facebook "clarification" in the same way.

Anagrams may not be the final method for the "solution". That does not mean they are not used in hints, clues, pointers, etc....

4. " I do not interpret the Facebook "clarification" in the same way.

Anagrams may not be the final method for the "solution". That does not mean they are not used in hints, clues, pointers, etc...."

You may be right. It's strange though -- why post a clue that tells you what the solution DOESN'T involve, unless you're trying to stop people from going a particular faulty direction that you're seeing?

It just goes to show though, if we can't even agree what a clue that tells us what NOT to do means, how we're supposed to work out what clues that tell us what TO do is beyond me...

So do you believe Doc is on the right path with his theory, BD?

5. Lobster,

That clue seems to have been released in relation to a set of Facebook messages. Look for the November 28th post & comments on the Great Hunt Facebook page.

It is also possible that the Ch1 anagram we are talking about is NOT relative to a Ch1 solution and at the same time IS relevant for Ch13.5 solution...

If something was "on the right path" it would seem it would also follow itself to conclusion and somebody would have the proper sequence for Ch1 and be holding a Silver Eagle

Since that clearly has not happened, I logically can't see that anyone is "on the right path" yet.

It more feels like we each have some "things" that are needed for the solution but haven't figured out how to apply them to create the solution yet.

The wall I keep hitting - I have a bunch of "clues" for Ch1 yet I don't have a single method that ties them together. How does alpha, omega, first, last, cooper's ghost, jeeps, first sequence, not an anagram, etc.. all come together?

6. P.S. Bookworm's theory from the other thread seems the most logical to date. Unfortunately the theory means we need to wait for 18 more clues !!! lol

7. " The wall I keep hitting - I have a bunch of "clues" for Ch1 yet I don't have a single method that ties them together. How does alpha, omega, first, last, cooper's ghost, jeeps, first sequence, not an anagram, etc.. all come together?"

Same here. We have also found a lot of "suspicious looking" stuff in Chapter 1 that LOOK like either clues, or hints, or bits of verifying information, but at the same time doesn't combine with any of the clues we know for certain.

So we're left with a bunch of spaghetti that doesn't come together.

The new clues that have been released have been of no help at all either, since they seem to be talking about DETAILS, or technical/structural descriptions of the solution, rather than talking about "how".

For example, I came up with a list of about 60 things that the clue that talks about "equal parts" could represent.

The greatest problems of all IMO are the following:

1. The presence of red herrings makes finding a solution difficult even if we were given hugely helpful clues, because nothing at all is trustable.

2. What is silver eagle, what is gold eagle related? The "3 key" thing Doc notices does look like it's the clue to something. But is it for every chapter's silver eagle? Or is it for Chapter 9's silver eagle? Or is it for the Golden eagle? Or is it a red herring? Not knowing this, how much time do you invest going down that path before giving up?

3. There are bits of information within the text of the chapters that look like clues. But, Ron has said that "finding clues is easy". So are these clues or not? Because whenever I have "found a clue" in the past that looked everything like a clue, I've been told that it's a technical glitch or a publishing error. So, we get back to a question you asked a year ago... "WHAT IS A CLUE, AND HOW DO I KNOW IT IS A CLUE?"

8. Just a quick note of my opinion.

As what often happens in this type of hunt, people tend to 'over-analyze' everything and get so wrapped up in details, that they begin to drown in them. I would suggest a few things I have been thinking about, right or wrong.

1. the solution to the map may be applicable to all chapters. There may be a unique order related to the first 4 keys due to the clues used to solve, but the rest may be the same. Remember that Ron says that a person can only win one silver eagle.

2. Look at the published clues and address them as an "average joe" might think. Ask what they may mean, but don't over analyze them.

9. As for the "equal parts" clue, look at the optic cross clues. 1-12 each have 2 parts.

10. Lobster - I hear you !

Bookwork - excellent point.

New Year, i'm going to spend some time on this again with some fresh eyes. Will be in Tweleve Chat each day this week after 9PM EST. Hope to catch some of you there.