# Thread: The Omega Key starts before "what you know"

1. A few clues back we had "The sequence begins by encrypting what is before U." So, we can surmise, or at least I can, that we're dealing with some kind of cipher, and that what ever falls before "U", then become "A" in whatever type cipher this is.

In this clue, if "what you know" is supposed to be taken literally as passages from the book, then you see exactly the same thing before both instances of this passage. The letter "e". Now we know that "e" is already used as the 3'rd key in the sequence given under the eagle eye, so that can't be it. It could, however, be "e" decrypted.

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Gizmo, can you give a specific example of how this would work?

3. Originally Posted by Mister_Gizmo
A few clues back we had "The sequence begins by encrypting what is before U." So, we can surmise, or at least I can, that we're dealing with some kind of cipher, and that what ever falls before "U", then become "A" in whatever type cipher this is.
I think the other clue that indicates a cipher is the one from a few weeks ago about only using letters from the story.
I interpreted 'what is before you' to simply mean A through T (1 through 20).

4. Originally Posted by Lady Lobster
I think the other clue that indicates a cipher is the one from a few weeks ago about only using letters from the story.
I interpreted 'what is before you' to simply mean A through T (1 through 20).
And T through A (20 through 1).

5. Originally Posted by Mister_Gizmo
A few clues back we had "The sequence begins by encrypting what is before U." So, we can surmise, or at least I can, that we're dealing with some kind of cipher, and that what ever falls before "U", then become "A" in whatever type cipher this is.

In this clue, if "what you know" is supposed to be taken literally as passages from the book, then you see exactly the same thing before both instances of this passage. The letter "e". Now we know that "e" is already used as the 3'rd key in the sequence given under the eagle eye, so that can't be it. It could, however, be "e" decrypted.
To keep it even more literal the question states in quotes "what you know" and only the passage on page 9 is in quotes as stated in the clue.

6. Maybe "time" is the keyword to use in a cipher? Maybe since alpha=omega and the first "time" noted in the story is ten o'clock, then that is the omega key. I now believe the clues are trying to be more straightforward than cryptic since the silver eagle for chapter one is getting a bit dusty.

7. Originally Posted by Mister_Gizmo
And T through A (20 through 1).

This has always bothered me.

It appears that almost everyone is doing this. A lot of my recent solutions have been forced to try this sort of thing because a lot of the recent clues seem to point at this too.

My problem with this whole A=1, B=2 thing is that I just can't find any REASON in the original clues or in the original text to do it. Where, precisely, in the chapter does it tell us to convert letters to keys? Which of the original clues tells us to do this?

I can understand perhaps people seeing "AT..." and giving it a good old college try based on a brute-force guess (I've done this a few times), but let's call this method for what it is: a guess based on zero clues. Either we're all missing an original clue that tells us to do that, or the hunt was originally designed to be a brute-force affair (which I find highly unlikely).

Where's the clue (prior to encode what's before U) that tells us that "A=1, B=2" is what we should have been doing from day 1?

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Do you really need a clue to think about A=1 .... that's more than a basic transformation isn't it ?

And did you need any clue to apply this directly on your chapter ? i guess no.

All of this i really straightforward and even without any clue you were able to try it.

Ron has constructed the quest in order to be locked, without any chance to win to early (meaning without clues, meaning only when Ron will decide that's time to have a chapter winner).

9. Originally Posted by Vincentournier
Do you really need a clue to think about A=1 .... that's more than a basic transformation isn't it ?

And did you need any clue to apply this directly on your chapter ? i guess no.

All of this i really straightforward and even without any clue you were able to try it.

Ron has constructed the quest in order to be locked, without any chance to win to early (meaning without clues, meaning only when Ron will decide that's time to have a chapter winner).
So with this chapter filled completely with symbols, poem letters, suspicious passages, strange lines, repeated 3s, archive/poem references, external references to people/places/other texts/other chapters, you think that this solution is ultimately going to come down to something as brain-numbingly boring as "take 10 letters from here and take 10 letters from there" ? Not only that, but the instructions for such a brain-numbingly boring solution were left out of the hunt at release?

While I have submitted such solutions just in case, I sure as heck hope the solution doesn't end up being that.

10. Originally Posted by Lobster
Where's the clue (prior to encode what's before U) that tells us that "A=1, B=2" is what we should have been doing from day 1?
How about the very first invisible ink clue. If you open google, and type in "atbash cipher" the very first entry to pop up, is a Wikipedia article which starts out "Atbash is a simple substitution cipher for the Hebrew alphabet. It consists in substituting aleph (the first letter) for tav (the last)." A for T.