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    Quote Originally Posted by guttom2 View Post
    it would be nice if the new clues would come out at a specific time. its kind of tiring reloading the facebook page for hours waiting for the update.

    or maybe sending out a mass email when it comes out
    If you "like" the page, it will automatically come up in your news feed column. No refreshing necessary!

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    Quote Originally Posted by stvwz View Post
    If you "like" the page, it will automatically come up in your news feed column. No refreshing necessary!
    do you have to have a facebook account to do that?

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    No clue today? Does that mean we have a winner?

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    That issue, at least for now, has been resolved ... thanks to a prompt from Jana. For those concerned, worried, or otherwise in doubt please give a thumbs-up on FB.

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    does anyone else believe that each chapter can be solved with no additional clues? im not complaning, but imo i cannot see how one could deduce the winning solution without any of the additional clues.

    when i started with chapter 2 the entire solution method has evolved into something to tally diferent and with the recent clues i feel like im back at square one. anyone else feel this way?

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    Yes myself i am completely with you

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    Likewise, totally lost now. And the clue that really "jacked-up" my theories is the "Bravo, Romeo, Quebec" clue and the whole "ABBA" thing. I've moved on since I can go no further without more nudges.

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    I'll third that.

    And yet, what strikes me as especially curious is Ron's posting of March 21: "We fully expected the silver eagle for Chapter two to be won before this information became posted publicly." That, in reference to the revelation that there were two versions of the book and that both were needed to solve chapter two.

    Many, if not most of us, had no idea there was a second chapter two. How, then, would we ever have had a chance to solve it? Even if aware a second chapter two existed how would we know that both versions would be needed to solve chapter two before this revelation? Not only, but one version was seemingly rare and relatively unknown (Chip version).

    As for myself, I hadn't even seen the other version of chapter two until one week after the announcement "it should have been won by now."

    This has never made sense to me and I've yet to hear a rational explanation that resolves this apparent conundrum. Can anyone explain to me how chapter two should have been solved without the knowledge of a second version ... or, how one should have known both versions were needed?

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    There must be more than one way to solve the puzzle for Ron to have thought that it would have been won before anyone knew there were two versions of the story.

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    First off, this isn't a complaint, merely some observations. This is Ron's hunt and he made it this way. I suppose he had his reasons:

    The problem isn't necessarily that the chapters are too difficult. They could be perfectly well formed and have some clever, creative solutions.

    The fundamental problem though is that a quester has to solve a solution completely in one step with zero indication that he/she is on the right track. To solve chapter 2, you need to successfully interpret tens to hundreds of clues, hints, and textual inferences -- perfectly -- in one step. You could have 24 of 25 deductions correct, and be just as lost as someone who knew nothing because the only feedback you'd ever get back is "SUBMISSION INCORRECT".

    What normally happens in a treasure hunt (both fictitious and real) is that you get some sense that you are on the right track. Sherlock Holmes would find one clue, that leads to another, which leads to another, etc -- he knew he was on the right track. In "National Treasure", for example, an obscure clue might lead you to a ship in the Arctic. You KNOW you're on the right track because you find an obviously important key or diary or whatever in that ship.

    Even Mel Fisher found "coins" near the Atocha. He knew he was getting close. We don't even get that. When we get a rejection, we are left with no sense of whether we are 2 keys away or 20 keys away.

    In our hunt, if you make a single wrong assumption anywhere in a chain of logical thought you may spend MONTHS completely on the wrong track. That is precisely what happened to me in Chapter 1. LadyLobster and I successfully deduced early on that the stick/cane was important, and represented "7", and logically assumed that OMEGA KEY meant "the last key" (the only assumption in a zero-feedback hunt that makes sense). Since there was nothing to validate our theory and this theory was clearly the most logical interpretation of the words "omega key", we went off into waste-of-time-land for 8 months. It turned out that our knowledge of the stick was actually detrimental to us finding the treasure. We would have done better to have ignored everything in the chapter except the "extra clues".

    So, you are likely correct -- numerous clues will be required to solve most chapters in this book. The "zero feedback" mechanism almost guarantees it.

    As for chapter 2, who knows. I submit sequences daily -- brute forcing this or that "just in case". I could be 2 keys off or I could be 20 keys off. I haven't the foggiest idea!

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