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    Chivalry to me would be associated with the male version of the stories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trplduece View Post
    Chivalry to me would be associated with the male version of the stories.
    I think you just made Juliet angry.

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    too funny...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lobster View Post
    Oh come on, utterlyconfused. This is so easy. "Bravo said Romeo as he headed to Quebec" implies that B is before R is before Q. Unless you take the clue literally, in which case Bravo is being said *on the way* to Quebec, in which case we get R before B before Q.

    Note, however, that neither B nor R are anchored to any position (it could be BR...Q,B....R..,.......BRQ, etc), so we cannot locate them anywhere, and so B or R can be anywhere in the first 19 keys.

    The new clue tells us that Juliet can replace Romeo, in which case we get J before B before Q or the literal interpretation B before J before Q. Since neither B nor J are anchored to absolute positioning and therefore we are unable to make any transitive conclusions, therefore J is before R or J is after R, and R is after J or J is after R, making J before or after B and R, R before or after J or B, B before or after J, and Q just laughing at them all.

    So in other words, we now know *FOR SURE* that keys 2, 10, and 18 all somewhere in the first 19 keys.

    Hope that helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glace View Post
    Does anyone see any merit in associating these 2 clues on the basis of their referencing to driving a car? (Roads, Yield)
    Welcome Glace. Thanks for your thoughts. I too have made hundreds upon hundreds of "connections" over the past few years. To answer your question, none of them have ever resulted in anything of any merit. In every single case, I would have done better to just wait until a specific clue delivering an answer on a silver platter popped up. Here's why.

    Some tricky questions for you to consider:

    1. How would you ever know for sure whether this is an intended connection? The human mind is remarkably talented at taking any set of nouns and grouping/categorizing them.

    2. Assuming it is an intended connection, how would you propose we use the phrase "driving a car" to help unambiguously produce a sequence of 20 integers between the numbers 1 and 20?

    3. Assuming you have reason to believe it is intended, and you also believe that it can assist you with a part of the sequence, how do you suggest we verify that your partial theory is correct?

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    Folks,
    I think it is time to put forth some food for thought

    *Has anyone noticed that the Optic Cross clues changed from 2 clues to 4 clues when Chapter 2 became the active hunt?
    *There are 2 versions of the story
    *The first half is equal to the last half
    *The ABBA video (2 girls, 2 boys)
    *5=A

    This spells out the structure of the Chapter 2 sequence. Then fun part of it is to now find the mini-sequences and put them in the right order.

    I think it is about time to get this chapter solved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bookworm660 View Post
    Folks,
    I think it is time to put forth some food for thought

    *Has anyone noticed that the Optic Cross clues changed from 2 clues to 4 clues when Chapter 2 became the active hunt?
    *There are 2 versions of the story
    *The first half is equal to the last half
    *The ABBA video (2 girls, 2 boys)
    *5=A

    This spells out the structure of the Chapter 2 sequence. Then fun part of it is to now find the mini-sequences and put them in the right order.

    I think it is about time to get this chapter solved.
    We have just been told that "half" of the sequence has been submitted by someone.

    It would seem to me that if your theory was correct, then the "half solved" hint would indicate that someone has solved the "AB" of ABBA, yet since there is not a complete submission, they have been unable to solve the "BA" of ABBA.

    That seems strange to me. If you have the ability to solve the first half of 2 different sequences in 2 different chapters, then you should trivially have the 2nd halves worked out. Shouldn't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobster View Post
    We have just been told that "half" of the sequence has been submitted by someone.

    It would seem to me that if your theory was correct, then the "half solved" hint would indicate that someone has solved the "AB" of ABBA, yet since there is not a complete submission, they have been unable to solve the "BA" of ABBA.

    That seems strange to me. If you have the ability to solve the first half of 2 different sequences in 2 different chapters, then you should trivially have the 2nd halves worked out. Shouldn't you?
    No necessarily. Each story has two sequences, complete and separate. Remember Ch1. Many people had the first half solved, but couldn't determine the second half.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bookworm660 View Post
    No necessarily. Each story has two sequences, complete and separate. Remember Ch1. Many people had the first half solved, but couldn't determine the second half.
    I guess I just find it hard to believe that we'd go from chapter 1 complexity (1 simple cipher, two parts in one small bit of text) to "4 different ciphers(?) /ciphertext directions/key directions and starting points, spread across 13,000 words, 50% of which is located in a book that you don't even own, and all 4 pieces are expected to be perfectly assembled in the right orientation and order, with no feedback, and since sequences likely overlap keys like in chapter 1, need to be solved perfectly from first to last, with the last keys depending on those that precede it".

    That is a massive leap in difficulty, and seems to be to be inconsistent with what Ron typically does, which is to step up incrementally in difficulty.

    You'll note my argument against 4 sequences is simply based on "difficulty". The clues, as you have pointed out, can be read to say anything. I agree that what you point out DOES make 4 sequences a possibility. I can also present an entire chain of evidence on why we are looking for 2 sequences of 10. I can also present you with an entirely contradictory thesis on why we are looking for 3 sequences of either 7/7/6 or 5/5/10 (not necessarily in those orders), complete with evidence. That's the thing with these clues. There are so many of them, and things that look like clues in the text, that we can combine a select subset to both support or refute absolutely any set of sequences.

    I am operating under the assumption now that we are looking for a simple 2 * 10. The new clues, even though they contradict so much else, keep forcing us there, IMO. Someone has discovered HALF the sequence. I think at this point we simply need to toss aside any clever deductions that we worked out and take the "think like a 3 year old" approach and stop our thinking at the word "HALF".

    But, who knows!

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    I am predicting a winner will be announced in the next day or two.

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    Hello, lurkers who read this board every few hours but never post. Got anything to add?

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