1. Originally Posted by Lobster
27. "The sequence you seek can be found by doing as they do on the equator during the midday sun" -- well at noon at the equator it's hot, and so you want to get to the beach quick. If you're inland, which most people are, that means you need to RON towards the SHORE!

2. Originally Posted by Agrisin
I figured I'd jump in after spending nearly every working day trying to decipher this chapter. It feels like we've been working on this forever and I really just want somebody to win so we can move on!

In my opinion, the very first thing we need to decide is how we think the method of entering the sequence numbers is performed. Do you think that the sequence numbers will always be entered linearly 1-20, no matter where the letters are pulled from the story? Or do you think that the sequence could be filled in non-linearly, 1-10, 20-11 for example. In other words, lets say we are pulling letters out of the story (to translate into numbers) frontwards, backwards, and/or descending. No matter which direction they are pulled out of the text, are you assuming that each letter/number is entered in the map sequence following 1-20 or do you believe they may jump around in direction?

This statement Ron made when disclosing the fact that there are 2 completely separate stories for ch2 continues to bug me, "We fully expected the silver eagle for Chapter 2 to be won before this information became posted publicly. " The only solid information we have to go by is how ch1 was solved. And to fully expect ch2 to have been won, I have think that ch2's solution can't be that much different from ch1! Chapter 1 basically had 2 strings of 10 letters pulled out of the chapter text from 2 separate places and entered in the map sequence linearly. I have to assume that ch2 is similar, except that it very much appears like some part of the sequence is backwards, whether it is a backwards pull from the text or a backwards entry in the map sequence.

So what has your personal consensus concluded at this point?
Asuming the clues were talking about a single solution, here are the chapter 1 hints that either one or both of the 2 sequences were supposed to go backwards:

- Photo of Alpha = Omega on facebook had Omega upside down. -- the clue is upside down but both A and O were forwards. huh??

- "If you’ve reached the starting line you’ve already gone too far" -- obvious interpretation is to go backwards and end at the starting line. Yes, in the end it meant "read from the first letter forwards". But, we were told to look for the JEEP twice, which was at the END of the paragraph. Any sane combining of those clues has you starting at or near the jeep and going backwards towards the first line.

- First is the same as last. -- If you know you have 2 sequences and are told that "the first is the same as the last", I think symmetry. This clue has two obvious interpretations: (a) "the first sequence is the same as the last" (in cipher, size, etc) and (b) "the start is the same as the end", implying A1,A2,A3...A10 B10,B9.....B1. I had assumed that the clue was trying to tell us the last sequence was reversed since there were so many clues telling us to reverse it (omega being upside down, for example).

- This is a significant symbol in solving Chapter 1’s treasure map – alpha = omega (upside down)

- Go back to the golden eagle eye for your next clue – Playfair I/J “silver eagle” (the words "GO BACK" appeared everywhere in C1. So did mirroring, reflecting, etc. No mirror I know keeps the orientation of its reflection the same direction. There was even a quote from Tom Sawyer posted early on about "pausing and reflecting" which I assume Ron meant as a clue, but it doesn't work since a reflection inverts the order. )

- "To find your sequence think of a cipher BACKWARDS" -- we know A=1,B=2 was the cipher used, and no one would ever call a simply substition like A=1,B=2 a "cipher backwards", so this clue sounds like it's telling us to go backwards.

- "the treasure will be found by what was missinG not seeing what is there and reminiscinG -- this clue had reverse text, reverse lines and reverse words. It was all backwards. In addition, "reminiscing" is about "looking back"

In the end, all of the "extra clues" in chapter 1 were pointing at one or both sequences being reversed, and neither were. I was completely amazed when I saw that the solution had no reversal.

Not once was "forwards" or "left to right" or anything like that mentioned. In every case where you could consider a clue to be relating to direction it always hinted at backwards/reverse. And as we know from Roger's solution, nothing was reversed anywhere.

That C1 experience makes me very skeptical of anything that talks about orientation in these new clues. In fact, a number of the C1 clues still make little sense to me even now that we know the answer.

3. One thing I forgot, for completeness:

There was one clue suggesting forwards for a sequence:
"Some of you have already solved the first six number to winning the first silver eagle(.) Here is another clue to help you on your way(.) The sequence starts at the beginning"

Combining that with "end of the first line" helped us get the first 10 letters. Ignoring the fact that the first 6 numbers for C1 were not special in Ron's solution and thus a herring of its own, this did not assist at all with the orientation of the 2nd sequence. In fact, knowing that S1 was forwards almost made it a lock for S2 to be backwards given the other clues.

4. Me, myself and I. It all starts with. The clue is not vague enough. Any thoughts?

5. Very cleaver, Mr. Shore....now I understand it.

6. Hi,
I am new to the hunt and just ordered my book. I have been looking at the old facebook clues and figured out some, but cannot get anywhere with the April 20th clue. Since the comments seem to indicate that this clue is not involved in the solution (was for a free book apparently), can someone give me some guidance? I am looking forward to playing this hunt and taking at least one Eagle back to Canada. Good luck to all, but especially to me!!

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Originally Posted by Lobster
This quote still makes no sense to me.

If the two different versions were required, then the publishing of that information is a REQUIRED pre-condition to the solution being submitted.
30+ clues and several confirmed keys and still no winner? what the hell are we not seeing about chapter 2?? i dont see any way someone could have gotten the answer. unless its so simple we are overcomplicating things

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suddenly Meanersprinkles quitting after chapter 1 was solved doesnt seem like it was such a bad idea lol

9. Originally Posted by guttom2
30+ clues and several confirmed keys and still no winner? what the hell are we not seeing about chapter 2?? i dont see any way someone could have gotten the answer. unless its so simple we are overcomplicating things
1. In defense of the hunt, I don't think anyone ever thought that 10? 20? 40? 60? people would be left working on chapter 2. If 500 or 1000 or 5000 people had been working on it, the probability of a winner given current clues would be way, way higher. A part of the current problem is that there really don't appear to be many of us left standing. Let's leave open the possibility that those of us left are simply too dumb to solve it

2. As for "overcomplicating things", I don't think so in general. While I and others have certainly submitted some "creative" solutions in the past (that did fit all the clues in addition to other stuff in the text itself I might add), I think it's fair to say that most of us have been thinking pretty simple for quite some time now. Two chapters, two parts. Extract letters in either some clearly hinted at or vaguely hinted at method. Sideways or down or east or west or up or back. Choose a cipher from a bag of hints. Maybe reverse the ciphertext in one or both. Maybe reverse the key order for one or both (see my post above though for my grumpy feelings on that topic). I still think there exists a second, more complicated (and more interesting) solution involving sources external to the text of the book, but the options on that front to nail it down are still too numerous.

Anyway, someone will eventually get it. I have a lot of "partial yet inconsistent stuff" now (for example a perfect first half that fits everything that a buddy of mine helped pin down the start of, and a perfect "Vegas" style last half that fits everything, but combined are completely inconsistent and thus can't both be correct. I haven't the foggiest idea if either half is correct.). I suppose that a specific enough clue could likely put things together.

Good luck.

10. Originally Posted by Lobster
This quote still makes no sense to me.

If the two different versions were required, then the publishing of that information is a REQUIRED pre-condition to the solution being submitted.

I don't believe this is exactly true. I had worked out (serendipitously) with a friend that there were 2 different copies of Ch2 about a month after the book was released (which would be probably over 2 years before the info was made public). The idea that someone could possibly solve this without a bijillion clues seems a bit ridiculous, and someone could therefore reasonably conclude that the information would be made public before the chapter would be solved, but I wouldn't call that a required pre-condition to actually solving it.

Potayto/potahto, I suppose!