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    Quote Originally Posted by Rx Jeff View Post
    All the clues are pointing to half the sequence and the mechanism once it is found, but nothing about the other half of the sequence. This is being drawn out way too long. If someone wins today, it will be the end of the year before a date in San Francisco will be made to get the silver eagle. Guess 2013 is a more likely time for the second eagle to be won, not this fall. That will be 3 years for the first 2 eagles so the quest for the golden eagle should begin in 2028.
    the interesting thing that the book states that he expected the 12 silver eagles to be found in 3 years and 1 more year for the golden eagle. i wonder how that time estimate came about.

    its to bad the world is ending on december 21st.

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    I'm throwing this out to stimulate extra effort to get this solved. The first clue about flying east towards the setting sun was an anagram. Has anyone found anything in the women's story that would read left to right and not be bacon cipher because I believe the men's sequence is bacon cipher. Also it all starts with mr myself and I and the whole combination clue about looking to the right and then left. Where is the third number to unlock the combination? Any thoughts?

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    I considered thinking about the ciphers used in the clues themselves, but the same issue plagues that thought as everything else related to the hunt: inconsistency.

    Let's assume that the fact that one of the clues was anagramed has something to do with the solution, as you suggest.

    For consistency sake, we then need to assume that ALL ciphers used have to do with the solution. Otherwise, we're just randomly picking and choosing. For something to be discoverable, it has to be consistent. If Ron has written clues such that SOME of the ciphers used are related, and SOME are not, then it's utterly impossible to use cipher information to help form a solution. How would we ever know which was useful and which was not? The text itself can be read to imply all of these and even others not yet used.

    So far for chapter 2, we have had clues that use anagrams, caesar ciphers, bacon ciphers, letter skipping, and letter transposition across letters and numbers. Note that we haven't had a single A=1,B=2 clue, which is a little odd since I see a number of other hints that imply that A=1,B=2 is important to this chapter. But, such hints (like everything else) are probably unintended.

    There are only three logical conclusions for a quest-taker:

    (a) Ciphers used in clues are intended to be clues, and therefore ALL of the above ciphers are used in the solution to this chapter. This clearly makes no sense, since we're lead to believe that the solution is fairly straightforward. The only possibility is that there is more than one solution, and that Ron is stuffing clues for 2 or 3 different solutions together. If this is the case, then we are being set up to fail. You can't mix clues for different solutions together and expect people to draw logical conclusions between them. Logic and deduction and interpretation require a single problem space.

    Having gold eagle, silver eagle, and red herrings mixed together in potentially multiple solutions is a little like having Sherlock Holmes arrive at a crime scene where 9 people are lying dead on the floor, each murdered by someone different, on different days, and completely unrelated to one another and Holmes is tasked with piecing together how Fred died. It's a ludicrous proposition.

    I'm not sure if this hunt is like that, but as the years have gone by, I've started to feel like we're in a room with a lot of dead people.

    (b) The author intends some ciphers used in clues to be useful, and some not. If this is the case, it is useful only to the author. An external player of this game cannot possibly use inconsistent information to help form a solution.

    (c) The ciphers used in clues are not relevant.

    Besides, even the OBVIOUS cipher stuff is confusing. Take Bacon for example. We are TOLD Bacon is important in one clue. But, so what?

    Is it talking about the chapter 2 silver eagle solution at all, or is talking about finding the chapter 2 password? Because yes, the bacon cipher IS important to solving the chapter 2 eagle, because you need the password to solve it.

    Next, assuming it's more than talking about the password, is it talking about only one of the 2 sequences? Is it talking about both (assuming we have 2)?

    Is it talking about how to form a sequence (baconing the text in one of a million possible ways?) or is talking about WHERE to start looking (in the Bacon section of one or both texts?).

    Or we're supposed to bacon the bacon areas? Or something else?

    And then what about Bacon itself? There are at least two or three VARIANTS of the implementation of bacon. I assume we're supposed to start with the obvious one, but there's evidence to support the use other variants. But, that doesn't fit in with the idea that the solution should be easy, and I've used both extensively across both chapters and have been unable to find a consistent usage that works.

    So, even when we're TOLD what to look for ("BACON"), it's not readily helpful.

    If we can't work out stuff that we are told is important, we shouldn't even be thinking about looking at stuff that we're not even sure is important or not.

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    All true and very well put. Especially about the bacon cipher being important to the solution. How important? The clue about the pig war implies using bacon cipher and is it really important that the actual date of November and the year important too since it was read that way in the clue. Are there multiple solves to each chapter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rx Jeff View Post
    All true and very well put. Especially about the bacon cipher being important to the solution. How important? The clue about the pig war implies using bacon cipher and is it really important that the actual date of November and the year important too since it was read that way in the clue. Are there multiple solves to each chapter?
    For those chapter 1 clues to make sense, there has to be.

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    Still cannot get anywhere with the March 27 facebook clue, the one with all the X's. A hint "woULD noT be fRoWneD UPon". I am really enjoying this adventure - just wish I had heard about it earlier and started earlier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hunterforgold View Post
    Still cannot get anywhere with the March 27 facebook clue, the one with all the X's.
    With any unknown cipher, I'd suggest examining the frequencies of the various letters to start. A great tool for this (and other things cipher-related) is here: Frequency Analysis

    Comparing the frequency distribution with that usually observed in English (big spike at E, spikes at TAOI, etc.) should get you started.

    Beyond that, you need to understand the ciphers used in Chapter 8, Q2 (and elsewhere in the book). They've been discussed previously here: Chapter 8 - New York: Lost Gold

    Learning how to crack some of the When a cipher is a big block of text with no spaces and 'X's, it is quite common for the X's to represent spaces. The particular type of cipher is one that you will run into if you

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    Whoops, the last paragraph in my previous post is a bit of a word-salad of cut&paste errors. Since I can't edit my posts, it should read as follows:

    When a cipher is a big block of text with almost no spaces and lots of 'X's, it is quite common for the X's to represent spaces.

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    Chapter 2's next clue:
    ….and did the same thing.
    Keep outta my Swamp! BDC

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    Message board very quiet after last clue. Will we have a winner or is everyone else, like me, lost in Acapulco looking for cliff divers?

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