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    Anybody feel free to discuss their approaches?

    Gisella, the winner, indicated that she "went down the side." Do we assume she's referring to the sides of the page?

    And, it should be noted, she won on her first attempt. Therefore, at least one other person got "the first half correct."

    Did she employ the Bacon cipher, I wonder ... any ideas?

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    Didn't try the sides myself but I guessed it worked. Just beginning to think I needed to be from UK to win an eagle.

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    Where did she say she went down the sides?

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    I had been going down the sides (first letter of each column) for over 6 months.

    - A=1,B=2 for both does not work because J and Q are not present in the women.

    - Baconing both does not work because the given keys (M*T or S*T and G**Q) did not line up, at least based on my understanding of all clues.

    - using A=1 for the men (there seemed to be evidence for that I thought) and baconing the women does not work because we are told "the first is the same as the last", and a clue that implied chapter 1 gave us inroads, implying to me that either A=1 was required OR the ciphers for both parts were the same.

    - My bud Shrek found a good looking sequence in the men's story using A=1 that fit all the clues. I found a perfect looking bacon-5 sequence in the women that fit all the clues (it produced a poker "straight" when read. It was so perfect a solution that I suspect it's better than the actual one. lol). Unfortunately my perfect woman's sequence required key 1, and any sequence in the guys that fit stole the 1 from it.

    I then tried a number of other things -- extracting the 6th letter of each column, the first letter of the last word of each column, the 13th letter for each column (6 and 13 were recurring themes in this chapter).

    Celestial-Love I thought was important (due to various evidence) and "Celestial-Love" appeared 10 times in the story, so I tried looking for letters on her lines.

    I messed around with the poem a bit since it's all about a CRAG (cliff). But it had no J/Q and not enough capitals to form a bacon even under a rotate.

    I messed around with the web page with the revolving falcon. It had enough caps for bacon, but not enough for a sequence. I also rotated that text looking for a better distribution of caps for a bacon to no avail.

    I'm going to LOVE to see how the actual solution fits all the clues.

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    I went down the inside of the odd numbered pages for the men's and down the left side of the even numbered pages for the women's

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    im disappointed but glad chapter 2 is over. i wonder how close i was

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    My boys half, started after the bacon, and went down the left side, starting INTO, but couldn't get a right side of the girls to fit.

    9 12 6 4 1 15 13 3 20 19
    Keep outta my Swamp! BDC

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    is Gisela a part of Tweleve?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shrek View Post
    My boys half, started after the bacon, and went down the left side, starting INTO, but couldn't get a right side of the girls to fit.

    9 12 6 4 1 15 13 3 20 19
    mine started at the top of page 32 in both versions
    1) in the boys take the first 5 from left to right but read right to left BREDI
    2) in the womens take the next 5 starting from the right most side from right to left but read left to right SKFTH
    3) then in the boys read the next 5 turning at a 90 degree angle and going down the left most border to get ANMOP
    4) do the same in the womens but on the other side to get L, then the last 4 GCJQ can be found multiple ways.

    all together BREDISKFTH ANMOPLGCJQ

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    The partial-sequence I was most confident in:

    Women's half, bacon 5 down first column.

    Starting page 38 line "Maxie rose to her FEET". Matches ("is afoot"). We're also told in the text that Maxie can help us read our suspects, implying a line containing Maxie may be a good place to start.

    Ends "Johnny Beecher was a Knight on a white horse" (page 40) Matches second interpretation of "Chivalry is at an END".


    Forms sequence Q J A G N I A K G S C B

    Two letters are duplicated (the twins?): AG. AG = element symbol for SILVER.

    These twins are stripped out giving us "Q J A GNIK SCB".

    Queen Jack Ace King, matches gambling clues throughout book, matches "straight down" clues (AKQJ- IS a straight, and the straight goes down the page), matches “line of descent” in two manners: bacon down, KINGs are directly related to lines of descent. We also have tons of references to KINGs in the boy's chapter, and here we have KING as part of the solution.

    Matches G the 17th key, Q the 20th key.

    And it's reversed. AB-BA, implies the women's part is flipped around. We also have another hint that I can see that "the women are upside down", and there are tons of references to "going back" and "returning to the grill" -- hints at going back to the boys sequence.

    So reversed BCSGKAINGAJQ. My final 10 are "2,3,19,7,11,1,9,14,10,17"

    In any case, it simply didn't fit a similar sequence in the boys. Any boys sequence that fit required the A, which totally messed up the girls sequence.


    p.s. for those of you who had found Joy's bacon-6 clue relating to bacon and seemingly referring to chapter 2 due to the bazillion "6" references, you've got to be as frustrated as I was when it became apparent that there were only 2 sequences. That Joy clue was split into three parts. Neither bacon-6 NOR 3 sequences were seemingly used for this chapter. Thanks for leading me off on the wrong path for a few months, Joy.

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