1. Oh, and the other bit of evidence for my sequence above:

I sold Doe Goose gold viol

1. This refers to women. Doe/goose females.

2. It refers to Jack and the Beanstalk. In Jack and the Beanstalk, he steals 3 things: gold, a goose, and a viol/harp.

3. Jack climbs UP and DOWN a line (beanstalk). Well, that matches the idea in the chapter doesnt it?

4. I see this as a bacon. Take the first letter of each word: IsDGgv. There are 6 letters, so we have to bacon-6 them. Bacon-6 of that is the number 19.

So we have "I sold Doe Goose gold viol" = 19. And who's the character in the story? Jack. Jack=19.

Right where J(ack) the card is in my sequence... key #19.

Ok, I'm not a crazy person; I understand it all sounds a little far fetched, but it's how I read it.

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wow. i was looking for something much simpler.

i saw the letters "eatatthe" along the edge of one of the boys margins, and the letters "grill" so thought it must be on those margins somehow. the men's talked about a vertical solution, so i was looking down on those pages before the clues pointed that way.
in the womens, i was looking at all the "the end is just the beginning" clues, and the last line in the women's being first. so i thought the end is the start...found two or three places where there were the words "the end" and decided the sequence(s) must start there. i was looking a lot at baconing the words with the letter F in the women's because there were so many f words (and c?) How would anyone assume the girl's story was vertical without the extra clues? i didn't think the stories would overlap that much, that talk about a vertical solution in one would mean a vertical solution in the other. that just opens up a million more ways to go wrong. i eventually started looking vertically but couldn't find it.

definitely jack and the beanstalk must have been the way to interpret the doe goose thing

had some other theories too but these were the main ones. sort of lost enthusiasm after a while without any feedback. fun for a month or so though.

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there answer must be contained for at least most of it on page 32. the combo is 42-10 = page 32

something involving the marginal letters as we all know

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so the biggest question my team had was is the answer found in the bacon poem, or is it found using the bacon code itself within the text.

my vote was on the bacon poem but i was never 100&#37; sure on this

5. With respect to page 32 ... with the clue interpreted as 42 to the right and 10 to the left ... that doesn't clearly represent page 32.

Try it and see! If we go to page 42 and go back 10 ... we actually arrive at page 31! Page 41 is first to the left, etc.

In both versions of the book that is where the Baconian enciphered poem is found.

6. Originally Posted by Gammon
With respect to page 32 ... with the clue interpreted as 42 to the right and 10 to the left ... that doesn't clearly represent page 32.

Try it and see! If we go to page 42 and go back 10 ... we actually arrive at page 31! Page 41 is first to the left, etc.

In both versions of the book that is where the Baconian enciphered poem is found.
I interpreted that one as "go to page 42, and read off 10 keys, going left". Well, if you rotate the book clockwise (like the rotating falcon on the website) and head left, you go down the page.
Which, also fits the "each letter is a treasure" clue because there is a "letter" on page 42. So page 42 was a good starting spot for either/or/and both sequences. Page 42 of the guys also has "dawned" (fly west towards the rising sun), "started", and some other stuff. I've also shown that page 38 is a good starting spot.

The very end of the story (page 47) is a good starting spot too given ABBA, all of the hints to go back, upside-down women, the word KEYS, "get back", reminded me.

Page 32 is also a good starting spot because it is right after the bacon section ("the pig war"?), contains our friend joy, has the word HALF and six-and-half. Etc.

The thing is, there are about 5 legitimate "starting spots" hinted at by many combinations of the clues. I am almost certain that there are at least 2 different, intended solutions for each of these chapters, and then a whole bunch of other stuff that's tossed in there either on purpose or accidentally.

Are all of these references to THREE a red herring? THREE lanes of traffic? Split it THREE ways? There might be a THIRD bird? THREE ex-wives? A red herring? Parts of a story? Or a second, more difficult solution?

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I thought it might mean four T two .... D T B

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...which would put you at 10 keys from the left

9. Oops, I erred in my inference to p. 31. Sorry about that. It is, indeed, 32.

In Gisella's phone conversation with Ron she does imply she looked for a vertical chain of letters following the Baconian encoded poem (I infer, which ends on page 32). Unfortunately, Ron immediately interrupts her so we do not get her fuller explanation.

This does work starting with the Chip version with the three knowns (A, M, T) as Shrek mentions. That is ... if we ignore the paragraph indentations.

Now, how do we obtain the G and the Q in Babs? Using "quit" or "quest" on the right page margin?

Or, is it possible Babs goes first?

Ideas?

10. Originally Posted by Gammon
Oops, I erred in my inference to p. 31. Sorry about that. It is, indeed, 32.

In Gisella's phone conversation with Ron she does imply she looked for a vertical chain of letters following the Baconian encoded poem (I infer, which ends on page 32). Unfortunately, Ron immediately interrupts her so we do not get her fuller explanation.

This does work starting with the Chip version with the three knowns (A, M, T) as Shrek mentions. That is ... if we ignore the paragraph indentations.

Now, how do we obtain the G and the Q in Babs? Using "quit" or "quest" on the right page margin?

Or, is it possible Babs goes first?

Ideas?
I suspect it's some form of:

10 keys: bacon down the first column of guys +
10 keys: bacon down the first column of girls

It has to be.... I found some clear evidence that it's certainly true for the girls, and by the first half=second half equality clue it must hold for the guys too.

We are told that both chapters work together. The guys tell you HOW to get your ciphertext (down the column), the girls tell you what cipher to use (exercise for the reader, as it involves information that I think might help me in the future).

I always ignored indentations though since (a) they are inconsistent (sometimes they are 4 chars, up to to 10 chars) and (b) since Ron made a specific note about indentations regarding chapter 1 not being clues.

It might be something a little more clever that I never tried but which the clues lead to... perhaps reading down 7 at a time, and discarding the top 2 because the top 2 symbols were red (i.e. red herrings - don't use).

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B
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Either that, or it is indeed a simple linear bacon, and I screwed up somewhere in my work. It was very difficult to back into not knowing for sure what the first letter of the guys was (B,R,E,C,I were all hinted at as being the first character by some hint or other).