1. Originally Posted by Lauren
Still, you did amazing detective work. Certainly that will help you in future.

I missed by 4 keys. I got off where Roger did at first.... He was a character- one of the last ......
Thanks, we had a lot of fun with it. I havent even mentioned the huge amount of (apparent) gold eagle stuff we discovered in chapter 1 that put us on the wrong track for an extra 6 months! Maybe that will come in use some day.

I think we learned a valuable lesson though: it is actually counter-productive to delve too deeply into these chapters to try to draw historical / contextual / symbolic relationships. It seems that about 95&#37; of it is just Ron creatively using related symbolism to have fun writing a story, rather than hint at anything.

2. This was a bit painful for me, as I was staring at Page 7 for the past 3 weeks. I just failed to make the correct link with "what was missing".

I did find it humorous that my guess was close. I had three numbers mixed up.

The real kicker is I ended with "Q" because it was not there... or missing.

*giggle* Aw well. It was a fun ride and I can hardly wait to hit the next chapter.

Remember folks, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

3. Or a stinky old stogie.......... lol

4. And can anyone tell where is this "cipher backwards" that is referred to in one of those final clues?

The cipher used for both halves was A=1, B=2... T=20. Very simple, straightforward. It's not "backwards" anything.

If someone's going to try to convince me that Ron was trying to hint that "1=A, 2=B, 3=C" needed to be "made backwards", then I'm going to have to go outside and shout for a bit. A cipher is a cipher. A=1, B=2 is just as much a legitimate cipher (encoding) as 1=A, 2=B is. Calling it "backwards 1=A" is just plain silly.

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I completely agree, Lobster!

You want to hear another UGH!?? I submitted the correct sequence using the correct letters from the paragraph on page 7 for the omega key... but I encrypted the omega key with an atbash!!! UGGGHHH!!

I really enjoyed working on this chapter, but I think all the clues prolonged the discovery of its solution rather than helped. I was stunned to find the omega key was just another straight 10.

But at least there are 11 more silver eagles to win!!

6. I think what he meant by reverse was not so much the sequence but the process. DEciphering vs Enciphering. Remember that we had to convert letters to numbers and all that.

Originally Posted by Lobster
And can anyone tell where is this "cipher backwards" that is referred to in one of those final clues?

The cipher used for both halves was A=1, B=2... T=20. Very simple, straightforward. It's not "backwards" anything.

If someone's going to try to convince me that Ron was trying to hint that "1=A, 2=B, 3=C" needed to be "made backwards", then I'm going to have to go outside and shout for a bit. A cipher is a cipher. A=1, B=2 is just as much a legitimate cipher (encoding) as 1=A, 2=B is. Calling it "backwards 1=A" is just plain silly.

7. Lobster, I just read the bottom of your post - I guess it's time to go outside and SHOUT! lol

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I'm just returning from work, and I'm gonna chew on this for a while tonight.

Bear in mind that this is Hog's explanation, (and I'm really, REALLY happy he broke through and solved it), but the author added nothing to his explanation. In other words, as Bookworm noted earlier, sometimes divergent paths lead to the same destination.

As some of you have noted, some things just don't quite feel right.

This is an author who created an addition cipher as an 'extra' clue--he's precise and logical.

1. It's impossible to solve the second half without knowledge of the first half. The second set of 10 were 'missing'.
2. Without access to the 'extra' clues--the email clues and facebook clues--how would you have been able to solve this?

There are a couple of linking mechanisms that I can see:

1. The first one is the ART or DB COOPER. This is an example of first=last. The first picture of DB Cooper was where he was old, the last picture showed him as a young man.
2. The second linking mechanism is TIME. The first key was an HOUR, the second key references MINUTES.

There's something about the final 'Q' set so far apart from the rest of the puzzle that's nagging at me as well. Why is he emphasizing this final KEY so much?

What would have pointed me towards ART, DB COOPER, or TIME in the first place?

Lobster, as far as the 'reverse cipher', it's possible it was referring to first=last, but I'm going to think on that for a while as well.

Congratulations (and many thanks!) to Hog and Macphisto for figuring this out!

9. Doc -- I suspect there are some things to the "full" solution that Ron doesn't want released right now, as perhaps bits of them (or similar devices) are used in other chapters or something. So there's always hope that there is stuff in there that's more brilliant or more consistent than seems apparent at this time. All that matters is that Roger somehow managed to heed the helpful clues and ignore the unhelpful clues and won

I think much of the "ugh" for C1 might stem from the fact that the solution WAS theoretically easy, but Ron felt forced to release additional clues as everyone was stuck for much longer than he anticipated, creating a messy clue soup. There are only so many ways that you can tell people to do something easy 20 different ways before those directions themselves become more convoluted than the actual solution itself. In trying not to make an easy solution too easy, many of the additional clues actually made the easy solution more difficult. Lady Lobster and I drowned in the soup.

In any case, I'm putting chapter 1 behind us and have moved on. I have seen enough flashes of brilliance in some of Ron's other work (other chapters, golden eagle stuff, etc) that I trust that future chapters may prove to be more creative and offer some exciting solutions.

Chapter 2 awaits!

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Yeah that backwards cipher clue really sent me down the wrong path. I do think my solution is better than the real one because it's much more straight forward and logical. You just take the first 20 unique letters and use the atbash an you get he whole sequence.

Can't wait or chapter 2!