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    Lobster,

    By seeing what was NOT used makes your theory a home run, IMO.

    The anagram and 'question 4 = question 7'.

    These were major clues for the three keys.

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    What do u mean the 3 keys. Which part was the dove key

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    The three keys have nothing to do with a silver eagle solution. They're Golden Eagle stuff.

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    all I have to say is..........No wonder Ron slapped my wrist!

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    Wow
    "We may not be first, but at least we are not last!" Meaner Simikkles RULE!

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    Hi All,

    Lurker coming through with a couple of preliminary comments. First, thanks for the good reads so far. Lots of interesting thought processes that shows that although one believes they're thinking outside the box, there are in fact many more boxes! Second, hearty congrats to the Ch 1 winner!

    Having seen the solution, I am a little disappointed (I say "I", but it should be "we" since there are 2 of us joining heads to find an eagle...). Our expectation (rightly or wrongly) was that there would be a little more meat to the solution with respect to its interconnectivity with the 20 answers. I think some here have already expressed that sentiment. I would like to contribute by offering our thought pattern and since the solution has already been disclosed, I don't think I'll be offending anyone or Ron and his team. If so, please feel free to strike these observations - no harm meant.

    Our approach found what we called 'pointers' in all of Ch1. These pointers were 1 or 2 steps removed from the key answer. By finding pointers in the chapter, one could associate a key number/answer at that spot in the pages and lay out an order. There were some issues about where to start and in what direction to read (FtoB, BtoF), but those would have only been a few extra solution submissions once our order was defined.

    Here are a few examples:

    Name in the papers... no joke, it was a dark and stromy night. For us, this was a reference to the Peanuts comic strip. (news)papers, no joke (comics), dark and stormy night (Snoopy's opening line when typing a letter). That was the Shcultz pointer.

    Donna... end of her rope, tromping through... let me get your ticket. For us, this was a pointer to Louvre. Donna (var.) is Italian for lady (mona lisa), end of her rope is a refernce to art hanging on a wall, tromping through without buying anything are patrons at a museum and ticket is your entrance stub.

    Grand Coulee is French for Big Flow. Pointer to the text regarding Mt. St. Helens and the lava that would come from the eruption in 1980. Further supported by Proctor opening one eye (volcano's spewing lava from its singular spout or eye)

    Lastly, we construed Olympic to fit nearer to the end of the Chapter with references to hostess 'podium' and Brad circling the cabin a few times... human activity, reminiscent of the track at closing ceremonies and the related human community. To boot, and perhaps a coincidence, our research showed that the first female olympic gold medal winner (London), was Elizabeth 'COOPER'. The Ghost of Cooper Past holds your omega key. She's certainly passed on, but was a strong link to us that Olympic should be the last key.

    Again, apologies if these thoughts are 'illegal' with 11 more chapters to go and by all means remove them at will. But we were hoping to know if there are others who shared the same analysis. We found a solid 15 or 16 pointers, and we were disappointed that they all seem to have been are red herrings...

    Best to all!

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    We spent considerable time doing what you describe, documenting a large number of symbolic references.

    We came to the conclusion that even if Ron had intended a solution like this it would be utterly impossible to solve. There were literally 10 different parts of the chapter that equally represented pirate. Columbia references everywhere. Impossible to differentiate the washingtons. references to twos, fours, everywhere. A large number of Shultz sentences and paragraphs.

    To wit... You saw louvre in the Donna paragraph. We saw Lewis and Clark. Donnas store referenced in the paragraph is on Lewis river road in real life. They used ropes for much of the Clark voyage to pull canoes up river. Sacajawea 'saved them some trouble', and it mentions 'bill over his newspaper clipping'.. Well William is Bill, and there is a newspaper clipping in the archives about Lewis n Clark.

    Both your and our interpretations sound equally probable to me... And these should be the EASIER keys to distinguish. If we can't disambiguate this then nothing else can be either.

    The biggest problem is scope. End of your rope can stand on its own as a reference to pirate, for example.

    In looking back at the real solution, I see almost no correlation to any of the data for, that attempt and it doesn't appear there is anything that works.

    I am fairly certain that Ron was just feeling clever and worked in hundreds of scattered key references all over the place to either act as red herrings, or to appease some writing urge.

    As I said to doc once, people are creative enough to be able to make anything equal anything they want. Pure symbolic solutions without heavy assistance of markering and supporting clues is unsolvable.

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    As much as I like finding things that are equal, I'm having a hard time with this solution.

    While I'm waiting for a copy of the 'brothers version' of chapter 2, I ran across something that's made me go back and take a look at chapter 1 again.

    Alpha = omega.

    Exactly how were these two things equal for chapter 1? This author created an addition cipher as an 'extra' clue--he's extremely well-versed in things that are 'equal' and not very subjective.

    Were the two keys of chapter 1 the first and second occurrences of the word TEN in the chapter?

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    alpha = omega as in alpha has 10 keys and omega has 10 keys

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    I am having trouble with the solution as well, Doc. It just doesn't add up.

    As is turns out, the Alpha = Omega appears only to say that the the solution is split into 2 sets of 10?? After most people had figured this out already (either by the story or by the obvious clues released), the Alpha = Omega image was re-released stating that "This is a significant symbol in solving Chapter 1’s treasure map". Very odd.

    And how does this clue fit into the solution: "
    To find your sequence think of a cipher backwards for it is not the words you seek but the letters". Not to mention the other dozen or so clues written backwards. What exactly is going backwards in the solution??

    There were so many inferred references to an atbash cipher or at least the omega key sequence arranged from positions 20 to 11, that a straight 11-20 with the remaining number-enciphered letters almost seems like it wasn't the original solution...

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