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    I am having trouble with the solution as well, Doc. It just doesn't add up.

    As is turns out, the Alpha = Omega appears only to say that the the solution is split into 2 sets of 10?? After most people had figured this out already (either by the story or by the obvious clues released), the Alpha = Omega image was re-released stating that "This is a significant symbol in solving Chapter 1ís treasure map". Very odd.

    And how does this clue fit into the solution: "
    To find your sequence think of a cipher backwards for it is not the words you seek but the letters". Not to mention the other dozen or so clues written backwards. What exactly is going backwards in the solution??

    There were so many inferred references to an atbash cipher or at least the omega key sequence arranged from positions 20 to 11, that a straight 11-20 with the remaining number-enciphered letters almost seems like it wasn't the original solution...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agrisin View Post
    I am having trouble with the solution as well, Doc. It just doesn't add up.

    As is turns out, the Alpha = Omega appears only to say that the the solution is split into 2 sets of 10?? After most people had figured this out already (either by the story or by the obvious clues released), the Alpha = Omega image was re-released stating that "This is a significant symbol in solving Chapter 1ís treasure map". Very odd.

    And how does this clue fit into the solution: "
    To find your sequence think of a cipher backwards for it is not the words you seek but the letters". Not to mention the other dozen or so clues written backwards. What exactly is going backwards in the solution??

    There were so many inferred references to an atbash cipher or at least the omega key sequence arranged from positions 20 to 11, that a straight 11-20 with the remaining number-enciphered letters almost seems like it wasn't the original solution...
    i agree with you Agrisin.i too thought for sure that atbash was used. it would have been better to say "think of a cipher in reverse", because what he meant was that we were reverse the answer numbers into lettters (thus encoding them).

    the backwards cipher was the clue that sent me off the deepend.


    there was even a clue on halloween(5 months before) that said the clue was split into equal parts. so the alpha=omega thing was redunant(although i supposed there could be 4 parts of 5.
    i also dont know why the alpha=omega symbol is upside down? being that that was a significant symbol to finding the sequence i thought for sure the answer has to be mirriored horizontally

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    Good point, guttom2! I forgot about the symbol being upside down as well. I also tried turning my book upside down to essentially mimic the clues in which the end would equal the beginning (same as reading the letters off backwards in the story itself).

    And let's be honest, I think most people who have worked on the chapter sequence for more than 5 minutes immediately encrypted the chapter letters into numbers. Where else would the numbers come from, eh? So any clue about that seems kinda unnecessary.

    I'm not exactly sure where Ron was trying to go with the clues, but already having the alpha key over a year ago and then reading "some of you have already solved the first six numbers..." sent me chasing crimson fish for months.

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    The ONLY map clue we had to solve the chapter was the Invisible Ink clue, which is a restatement of Alpha = Omega.

    It's not possible that meant only ten numbers apiece--you can't reach this solution based on that alone.

    We're missing something here. There's some sort of equivalence factor that was supposed to lead us to the solution.

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    Why do you want to have missed something ?

    That was obvious that Ron was repeating himself, trying to save the "lost ones" by putting them on the right track ....

    Only 3 clues were enough
    1/ 2 parts of same size for alpha and omega
    2/ Ghost of cooper holding the 7
    3/ Where to start the omega part

    Regarding clues 1/ and 2/ we got a lot of repeats from Ron

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    Well, I'd say yes and no. I think Chapter 1 was the most difficult because in the beginning, we really had NO idea what we were supposed to be looking for. In which case, everything looked like a clue!

    But in hindsight, the story itself really does give hints as to what to do (Michael Stadther style!)

    From what I can tell, 3 of the 4 Cherokee paragraphs hold the secrets:
    "mid-April" = halfway
    "semi" = half
    "half-laughed, half-coughed" = equal halves
    "couple" = usually means 2

    Of course, without a confirmatory-type of message in the solve, I don't think it would be possible to know 100% that you submitted the correct solution. Rather, just that you submitted a logical attempt. I think from Roger's and Macphisto's comments, this can be confirmed. (Great work, btw, guys!!)

    So now, we kinda know what to look for. I actually thought I had really good grasp on what was going on in Ch 2 already...until finding out that I need the second version to get the full solve, that is.

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    Well, I'd say yes and no. I think Chapter 1 was the most difficult because in the beginning, we really had NO idea what we were supposed to be looking for. In which case, everything looked like a clue!

    But in hindsight, the story itself really does give hints as to what to do (Michael Stadther style!)

    From what I can tell, 3 of the 4 Cherokee paragraphs hold the secrets:
    "mid-April" = halfway
    "semi" = half
    "half-laughed, half-coughed" = equal halves
    "couple" = usually means 2

    Of course, without a confirmatory-type of message in the solve, I don't think it would be possible to know 100% that you submitted the correct solution. Rather, just that you submitted a logical attempt. I think from Roger's and Macphisto's comments, this can be confirmed. (Great work, btw, guys!!)

    So now, we kinda know what to look for. I actually thought I had really good grasp on what was going on in Ch 2 already...until finding out that I need the second version to get the full solve, that is.

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    I have been following this thread and believe it is time to stop all the negativism related to the solution. We don't need to keep expressing our frustration with not getting the correct solution, and feeling that our own solution submission were better. Its over. Let's move on to the next chapters and learn from our mistakes and misinterpretations of the author's logic.

    This is supposed to be fun and enjoyable. Race ya to the next successful solve!

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    I'm with you Bookworm.

    When the Author's version of chapter solutions are released after all 12 chapters have been won, I expect there will be a more logical progression than what we are all currently seeing.

    Until then, we will never really know.

    No reason to keep bashing it against the wall...

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    Bookworm,

    I'm not meaning to appear negative in the least. I'm REALLY enjoying the game; I just feel like I'm missing something, and figuring that out might help with future solves.

    Vincent,

    Those clues are the very problem. We didn't have them at the outset. I very much believe this is a logical, elegant puzzle, and bearing that in mind, we were supposed to be able to figure out the solution based on Alpha = Omega. First is equal to the last.

    I'm extremely curious about it because of the clues in the second chapter. There's a first=last thing going on with it as well.

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