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    A link to it has just been posted on Facebook..........enjoy!

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    Thanks for the heads up, Macphisto!

    Very interesting reading. How were YOU led to your answer? I'm always curious about different thought processes.

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    As am I. Sometimes two different paths lead to the same destination, regardless of how divergent they may be.

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    I got to the Alpha key in the same way as Roger but the Omega key was slightly different.

    The "Ghost of Cooper past" clue led me to page 7 and the picture of George Bravo. Then I simply applied the same method as the Alpha key to the paragraph that starts with "A few minutes later".

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    How did you handle the missing 'Q'?

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    Anyone want to discuss in chat?

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    Well at least I now know I completely missed the Omega Key, no more feeling that I was close or even on the right track!! LOL. Very tricky, but logical now in hindsight. However it is interesting to find out that the pictures and the "line" were clues in themselves, I had a feeling in my gut that they mattered but just couldn't puzzle it out so I let them go. Lesson learned.

    I'm very glad Ron posted the solution. I have closure.
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    Not too excited about the actual solution to be honest. A lot of the new clues were added without much thought to collisions with other clues.

    First, where's the reversal? We had maybe TWENTY clues implying that the second half was backwards, or reversed, or atbashed, or upside down.... yet Roger's solution reads off letters in order? Really? 25 red herrings? Ugh.

    "Ghost of cooper past holds your omega key" implied to us that the omega (LAST) key was 7. He HOLDS the omega key, not "he holds the location to the omega key".

    The only way this clue makes any rational sense as written is if the term "omega key" means "the key (page number) to the last ten keys". There are 4 definitions of "omega key", in order of logical probability (IMO): (1) The last key. (2) The last sequence (last 10 keys), (3) The "key" (page number) to the last key, (4) the "key" (page number) to the last sequence (last 10 keys). Ron chose to use the very last and least probable definition in this clue. Ugh.

    On key 17:

    #17 made sense as the last key in our blackjack theory because 1=Ace, and 17 = figher pilot ace. First=last. We saw this fairly early on BUT:

    We ruled out #17 as the last key because of Rons clue "twelve o clock high was a little bit late". This seemed to clearly point to 2 things: (1) that ten o clock in the morning was important, and (2) that Shultz (key 17) was "a little bit late". Thats because in the archives at 12 o clock (up) the top article is about shultz. Well, the clue clearly stated that it (#17) was a LITTLE BIT LATE. The last key is clearly more than a "little bit" late, so we had to conclude that #17 was somewhere in key 11 to 16. The other interpretation is that #17 appears "a little bit late" in the 10 character sequence of the omega key. Again, the last spot isn't a little bit late, it's just plain late.

    As mentioned in previous posts the clue about "some people have found the first 6 numbers to solving..." turns out to have been a complete red herring. We had assumed it had meaning, since it was released a year after most people had given up. It now appears that instead we were sent even further off track by that phrase. Strange.

    By the end Lady Lobster and I were close, since all of the "extra clues" were pointing at this "10 characters from here, 10 from there" thing.

    Still, I can't help feel like a lot of these extra clues actually set the Lobsters back. They conflicted with prior information.

    There was also a huge number of interesting / strange references in this chapter. Did you notice that there's a paragraph that talks about his father EXAGGERATING, right before saying he was HOOKED and opening his BATTERED case file? There was an entire paragraph pointing to fishing (Pike place market?). Likewise, there were paragraphs and things with such clues scattered across the entire chapter. I almost formed an entire sequence from them. Yet it all seems to have been one huge red herring.

    Can't help but be left feeling "ugh".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobster View Post
    Not too excited about the actual solution to be honest. A lot of the new clues were added without much thought to collisions with other clues.

    First, where's the reversal? We had maybe TWENTY clues implying that the second half was backwards, or reversed, or atbashed, or upside down.... yet Roger's solution reads off letters in order? Really? 25 red herrings? Ugh.

    "Ghost of cooper past holds your omega key" implied to us that the omega (LAST) key was 7. He HOLDS the omega key, not "he holds the location to the omega key".

    The only way this clue makes any rational sense as written is if the term "omega key" means "the key (page number) to the last ten keys". There are 4 definitions of "omega key", in order of logical probability (IMO): (1) The last key. (2) The last sequence (last 10 keys), (3) The "key" (page number) to the last key, (4) the "key" (page number) to the last sequence (last 10 keys). Ron chose to use the very last and least probable definition in this clue. Ugh.

    On key 17:

    #17 made sense as the last key in our blackjack theory because 1=Ace, and 17 = figher pilot ace. First=last. We saw this fairly early on BUT:

    We ruled out #17 as the last key because of Rons clue "twelve o clock high was a little bit late". This seemed to clearly point to 2 things: (1) that ten o clock in the morning was important, and (2) that Shultz (key 17) was "a little bit late". Thats because in the archives at 12 o clock (up) the top article is about shultz. Well, the clue clearly stated that it (#17) was a LITTLE BIT LATE. The last key is clearly more than a "little bit" late, so we had to conclude that #17 was somewhere in key 11 to 16. The other interpretation is that #17 appears "a little bit late" in the 10 character sequence of the omega key. Again, the last spot isn't a little bit late, it's just plain late.

    As mentioned in previous posts the clue about "some people have found the first 6 numbers to solving..." turns out to have been a complete red herring. We had assumed it had meaning, since it was released a year after most people had given up. It now appears that instead we were sent even further off track by that phrase. Strange.

    By the end Lady Lobster and I were close, since all of the "extra clues" were pointing at this "10 characters from here, 10 from there" thing.

    Still, I can't help feel like a lot of these extra clues actually set the Lobsters back. They conflicted with prior information.

    There was also a huge number of interesting / strange references in this chapter. Did you notice that there's a paragraph that talks about his father EXAGGERATING, right before saying he was HOOKED and opening his BATTERED case file? There was an entire paragraph pointing to fishing (Pike place market?). Likewise, there were paragraphs and things with such clues scattered across the entire chapter. I almost formed an entire sequence from them. Yet it all seems to have been one huge red herring.

    Can't help but be left feeling "ugh".
    Still, you did amazing detective work. Certainly that will help you in future.

    I missed by 4 keys. I got off where Roger did at first.... He was a character- one of the last ......

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    Seems I was close, but with a completely different solution, lol. I was in the same paragraph, but I started with "The most recent thing I heard..." and then "The old man perked up...". My interpretation of "Ghost of Cooper Past" was the thing from Cooper's past that haunted him, i.e., the detail from the story that he didn't know about, i.e. that was "missing". If you're a fugitive and you hear about a new piece of evidence, that should be enough to spook you My last submission was the one that started at "The old man perked up...", and the last clue was "something about the old man", so that gave me some confidence.

    To Lobster: an idea about the "first 6 numbers" thing, which I agree is super-annoying. Maybe we were supposed to think: okay, a lot of people have found 1-6, so what haven't they found? What should we look for? The 7!
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