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    Doc,
    I enjoy your deductive reasoning and find the arrived-at conclusions very interesting. Over the last two and a half years we have had similar discussions, and I assume we still agree to disagree. I do respect you, and thnk your reasonings are extremely insightful.

    First, let me say that I admire your analyical abilties. You seem to be able to discern any abnormalities or twists by approaching things logically. But sometimes a horse is just a horse, and by reading a lot into the clues may sometimes lead you on a wild goose chase. Keep in mind that by following my own reasoning, I still have also been unsuccessful in obtaining the prize.

    In my humble opinion, Ron has been relatively straight forward in his clue presentation. They are very subtle, and somtimes enigmatic, but if you are able to follow them they do make sense. In the current chapter, I have found many clues within the chapter that I feel point to the specific pertinent text to be used to create the sequence. I then tried to apply the FB clues and they all seem to support my finding. In the end of course, needless to say, I haven't got it right yet.

    An example of our differences is the reasoning on the 'Always a "Secantroam"' clue. As you pointed out, this anagrams out to Sacramento. I also deduced that the answer may be CA, as you did, but on later examination, the specific first = last letter deduction didn't quite feel right. I then came up with an alternate deduction. Where did the name "Sacramento" come from? After determining that, I was sent in an entirely new direction that other clues soon joined in.

    Let us continue these dialogs, and the sharing of our respective determinations, as I think they can be very helpful to us all.

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    Bookworm,

    Sounds like a plan!

    When Caesar eliminated Charlie, the 'C' is turned into an 'X'.

    Be aware that I'm hopeless with any ciphers that show up in the Facebook clues--if you ever want any of my insight for them, I'm pretty much going to have to be led by the nose to solve them.

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    Greetings on a wintry night from the Deep South!

    The November 16 clue is breath-taking in its construction. The Silver Eagle portion of the clue is its plaintext answer. The clues for the mechanism and some Golden Eagle stuff lies in its formatting.

    1. The clue consists of 111 letters, or III, and is divided into THIRDS.

    2. The clue needs three ciphers to solve: a REVERSE cipher, a ROTATE cipher, and a CAESAR SHIFT cipher. These represent three 'keys'.

    a. REVERSE implies FIRST=LAST
    b. ROTATE implies CIRCLE
    c. The CAESAR SHIFT implies '3'

    3. THERE IS AN ALTERNATE SOLUTION THAT IMPLIES MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THREE KEYS. It is not a plaintext answer. Only two keys are used: ROTATE then REVERSE.

    a. Rotate the original cipher such that the first line begins as H W B Q K, etc., the second line begins as K V U L W, and the third line begins as W X R X X H.

    b. Reverse the cipher, maintaining its current format of three rows of 37 letters. Start at the end and read the columns bottom-to-top.

    The first row will begin as A W X Q W H, the second row will begin as W R L G H G, and the third row will begin as K H X F X W K.

    c. This block of letters is divided into three sections by columns of X's and represents three keys.

    The first block of letters is 10 columns. The second block of letters is 14 columns. The third block of letters is 11 columns.

    The '10' is implying Roman numeral 'X'
    The '14' is implying N for NORTH.
    The '11' is implying Roman numeral II.

    The NORTH and the X are the first and end of our treasure map. The II is what's missing in the middle.

    4. The hint contained in the plaintext answer refers to MISSION IMPOSSIBLE, or Roman numeral 'MI'.

    A lot of this extra stuff isn't applicable to the Silver Eagle portion of the game--I can't wait to see how all this plays out.

    Doc

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    I hope everyone had a good Christmas break! Didn't spend much time on C3 (too busy sleeping and eating!), though I did read a bunch of vaguely related materials hinted at across all 12 chapters while on vacation that I had been meaning to read for quite some time.

    In a way, I have sort of spent more time learning about the history and people and places in all of these stories that bothering myself with strings of integers. While this information hasn't yet proved to be at all useful in solutions that in Facebook land have been reduced to "extract characters in some arbitrary geometric pattern from book", I think it's fair to say that the historical periods that this hunt deals with are some of the most interesting in our history, and it has been very enjoyable just learning more about them.

    As for C3, I have a lot of pieces. Some bits of the riddle. Some ideas, some recurring symbols, some people, some places perhaps. I am mentally prepared this time for a solution that is ultimately "extract letters from chapter 3 in a pattern of an arc, or in a squiggle, or in a line, or square, or triangle, or circle, or whatever", but I am hoping beyond hope that the real solution is one of the more creative that I can envision.

    Many related ideas even, but my understanding of the nature of herrings doesn't appear to be quite good enough to determine what is real, and what is not. I think it's fair (or not fair?) to say that the "C" is a very busy place.

    We're a lot like the early gold rushers I suppose... people who want to beat the odds that are against them, and who are happy to simply set out in one direction with crude picks and shovels, hopeful that luck shines brightly upon them, but never really knowing if they're following a valuable stream bed or an empty one. But like in most endeavors, perhaps in the end a little experience will be enough to compensate for a lack of total understanding.

    In any case, I think it's the journey that matters in the end... even those diggers who came up with nothing would have experienced the excitement of the era, and experienced the wonders of California.

    And as I read through these chapters, I am often brought back to an old Moody Blues song from "Days of Future Passed":

    Cold hearted orb that rules the night,
    Removes the colours from our sight,
    Red is gray and yellow white,
    But we decide which is right,
    And which is an illusion.

    Good luck in the ne
    w year, everyone. And nice to see you back, Doc.


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    Lobster,
    That was one of the most brilliantly stated posts I have seen in this forum for quite some time. Thank you.

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    Chapter 3 clue:

    Riddle me this and riddle me that:
    tlboon, eldfis, lemkim, woshall will be the key to pulling this one out of the hat.

    Hm!

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    Perhaps peecavi could have helped earlier.

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    THIS is a great-grandaddy clue.

    Would anybody like to comment? We need some discussion about this one.

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    On shallow fields bolt me milk

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    Bolt on, fields, like mm, hallows - Frankenstein???

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