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    No idea.

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    Yes, Macphisto we all thought the F was 7th. It was as a result of receiving endless map submissions with F in 7th position that we have been issued this "clarifying" clue. Personally, I am convinced that Captain Ron had no idea that there were 2 candidate numbers in the Sudoku that fit the prior clue. After getting endless Fs as 7th submissions, he took a look and realized that he had once again been sloppy with a clue, and that there was more than one possible answer. Hence, the clue we got today. If you don't believe me, then just let me remind you that in Chapter 1 he gave a clue referencing the combination that opened a compartment in National Treasure. I know he thought there was only one interpretation for that clue. But after reading this site and getting some feedback from questers, he realized there was more than one way to look at it. And lo and behold, a "clarification" was issued. That is not to mention typos in rotate ciphers and omissions in other clues that had to be corrected later. Cynical? Maybe. Fed up? Definitely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morrigan View Post
    Yes, Macphisto we all thought the F was 7th. It was as a result of receiving endless map submissions with F in 7th position that we have been issued this "clarifying" clue. Personally, I am convinced that Captain Ron had no idea that there were 2 candidate numbers in the Sudoku that fit the prior clue. After getting endless Fs as 7th submissions, he took a look and realized that he had once again been sloppy with a clue, and that there was more than one possible answer. Hence, the clue we got today. If you don't believe me, then just let me remind you that in Chapter 1 he gave a clue referencing the combination that opened a compartment in National Treasure. I know he thought there was only one interpretation for that clue. But after reading this site and getting some feedback from questers, he realized there was more than one way to look at it. And lo and behold, a "clarification" was issued. That is not to mention typos in rotate ciphers and omissions in other clues that had to be corrected later. Cynical? Maybe. Fed up? Definitely.
    I'm not sure about that... the suduko clue seems pretty clear to me. How do you get an answer other than 6?

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    Read the Sudoku from the bottom right - not the bottom left and you you will see that 9 also fulfills the criteria. I think he intended to convey that information and methodology, and never even bothered to check and see if another number worked as well. Sloppy and inconsiderate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morrigan View Post
    Read the Sudoku from the bottom right - not the bottom left and you you will see that 9 also fulfills the criteria. I think he intended to convey that information and methodology, and never even bothered to check and see if another number worked as well. Sloppy and inconsiderate.
    But surely you label rows and columns starting from the top left. At least that's how one would normally label a grid:

    X C1 C2 C3 C4 C5 ...
    R1
    R2
    R3
    R4
    ...

    It doesn't make sense to me to label a grid in any other way, unless you were very specifically instructed to.... ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morrigan View Post
    Read the Sudoku from the bottom right - not the bottom left and you you will see that 9 also fulfills the criteria. I think he intended to convey that information and methodology, and never even bothered to check and see if another number worked as well. Sloppy and inconsiderate.
    ...and left to right, bottom to top = 8

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    Yes Lobster, I would label it that way. Would Ron? Mypersonal opinion is that he intended to convey a certain direction and method,so he looked in the Sudoku for a way to do that. It only belatedly occurred tohim that other answers were there and were possible. Again, no double-checkinghis work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acesNeights View Post
    ...and left to right, bottom to top = 8
    But aren't you redefining basic column and row numbering conventions here?

    All throughout the book (and all other universal conventions dealing with grids), row 1 is the top left row. Row 2 is under it. Column 1 is the leftmost column, column 2 is beside it.

    It makes no sense to me to call the 9th row (the bottom row) "Row 1".

    For Row=Column=Number you need Row# = Column# = Value#.

    Therefore row6 = Column6 = value 6 is the only solution.

    That last "still can be found" clue has me more confused, since it can be read as either a red herring or as a direction, depending on which definition of individual elements of it you choose, and whether red herring rules consider related elements to known herrings herrings or not, or whether a herring must be a direct element of that class, and not just a related symbol. It appears impossible to determine which, and that creates problems in trying to lock down an important part of the solution.

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    Lobster, all I can say is that TODAY'S clue was unambiguous. Therefore, F is not 7th. So, the Sudoku has to be read in some other way. The Sudoku clue was sufficiently ambiguous that there are 3 possible solutions. And I don't believe there is a deep or arcane reason that the Sudoku clue is vague, I think it is carelessness and lack of attention to detail.

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    The latest clue doesn't make it clear that the 14th letter is referring to the sequence. Ron's previous clue specifically mentions "The seventh number in the sequence", this clue doesn't.

    The 14th letter down the left side of the Eldorado poem happens to be an "F", for instance. That "F", in its Caesar encryption, is a "G" and is located about mid-way in the story. Is this a pointer to the story or is it the poem itself that hides the sequence? Just another way to look at it.

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