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    From Ron on FB:

    Yes we have a winner for Chapter 3. Our staff will be away next week so we checked the submissions early (to make sure the 2 week response rule was kept). When we checked there was exactly one winner and they are from Canada. I would like to encourage people to continue to submit for chapter 3 to see who gets the second place prize of a free limited edition version of the book. Congratulations to the winner. More information and a video will follow. Clues for Chapter 4 will start coming out in February. Ron

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    Hey, I am from Canada. I didn't get a phone call though. . . .yet?

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    After we see this solution, maybe we can start putting things to rest one way or the other. We'll be 25 percent finished with the preliminary chapters.

    Either these puzzles were able to be solved without any further clues, or they weren't. The folks working on this game are NOT idiots by any stretch of the imagination--if there's an underlying mechanism, with three solutions under our collective belts, we should be able to reverse engineer this thing if there's some sort of undiscovered 'correct' path that didn't need a lot of extra clues.

    I'm currently voting for an underlying mechanism based on some of the following observations:

    1. Each solution appears to be follow the same format. The solution is broken into two different parts--it could have easily been 5 pieces in one chapter, 4 in another, or the entire sequence at once. So far, it's broken into only two pieces, and this appears to be a repeating motif.

    2. The solutions appear to be solved consistently: A first sequence of ten letters followed by a sequence of 'leftovers'. They have been found in different places within the text. It could easily have been something along the lines of 'John 4:12' or 'the prologue of Star Wars' or a dedication plaque at the Apollo Theater. The first sequence is ten 'given' letters. The second sequence is the ten that are missing from the 1-20.

    3. The second sequence of each solution appears somewhat squirrely. For chapter 1, the final letter 'Q' was found in a different page and different paragraph. For chapter 2, the final two letters were missing. My explanation for these oddities is that the second sequence is an 'omega' key as opposed to an 'alpha' key. Alpha = A = 1. Omega = w = 23. The reason that the omega key is being different is that it's actually composed of two subsets or 'keys', namely keys '2' and '3' and have different properties when compared to the 'alpha' key which is one single sequence.

    4. There's some sort of 'X key' that seems to be appearing at the end of these solutions. For chapter 1, the final letter, the 'Q' was located in paragraph 24. It's an example of an 'X key' with 24 = X and 'Q' = key. For chapter 2, the two missing letters were J and Q. Once again, with J = 10, the final part of this appears to contain an iteration of an 'X key'.

    5. So far the solutions for chapters 1 and 2 are staying consistent with Revalations 22:13. I like the idea of first=last and the book of Revalations, and it's hard to ignore 'alpha and omega' first when the chapter 1 solution was based on paragraphs 1 and 23, and 'the first and the last' when the chapter 2 solution consisted of the first and last letters of the lines. That's why I'm expecting the chapter 3 solution to involve 'the beginning and the end' of the chapter.

    My solution for chapter 3 was quite simple and based on the first and last letters of the chapter: C = X and X = A were the two caesar shifts. At the first of the chapter, this would collect the letters C M G D N P I B O J. Starting at the end of the chapter and going in reverse would collect the letters H K Q L R E F S A T.

    Doing these two Caesar shifts caused the correct letters to be in place from the Facebook clues. I was hugely impressed to find that the soduku clue of the 'I' and 'F' were in the correct positions as well as the 'reverse' clue as well. If you recall when you read the soduku clue 'backwards' counting 'up' the two arms of the 'X' in the soduku puzzle, both arms had '8' in the correct position. When you read these two letter sequences in reverse, the 8th position as suggested by the soduku puzzle is 'G Q' or 7 key which is pretty much nailing that clue IMO.

    Not only that, but when you perform the last Casesar shift on the text such that X = A, there's an 'X key' at the end of the sequence set apart from the rest of the puzzle. The 'X key' or X and Q were the last two letters, and they Caesar shifted to the A and T--'beginning and end' stuff again.

    We'll see what shakes loose from the actual solution.

    Doc

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    Doc, I just had a thought about this...perhaps we are looking at this wrong. Each chapter has several things in common when it comes to the questions at the end of each. Many of the same questions appear in each, such as: What is the name of the poem? Who was the author? and What is the password? Ander there always is a couple that deal with the sudoku as well. If we look at each of these questions as an actual "key" to the solution then perhaps we have to look at how and where the poem is written in the chapter, as well as the position of the password. For the first 2 chapters, the password was at the end after the poem was complete. I believe in several of the other chapters, the password is found in the middle of the poem, and at least one of them is at the beginning of the story as well (mainly because the poem is written backward). Perhaps this password or at least its positioning is part of the key to understanding your 'X' variable of the missing letters in the sequence. Just a new idea to try and help us all move forward.

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    Squirrelio,

    I'm in complete agreement that the concept of those three questions are part of something bigger--it's one of the reasons I like the idea of 'three keys'. I hadn't considered the physical placement of the password within the chapter, however. Thanks for sharing that idea. The three keys are basically first, middle, and last, so I'll definitely keep that in mind when working on these chapters.

    This is Golden Eagle stuff, but it can give you something to ponder: What's the hint being implied by two different books for chapter 2?

    In other words, what's the 'male book', and what's the 'female book' that might be implied here?

    Bear in mind that one of the first symbols on the treasure map can be interpreted as a 'first book'.

    I'm thinking a 'king' book is a good candidate for a male book, namely a King James Bible.

    I'm bring that up because if Revelations 22:13 is relevant for chapters 1 - 3, then there's going to be some other verses that come into play for succeeding chapters.

    Check out Exodus 3:14 and John 1:1.

    I LOVE the fact that 3.14 is the equation for pi and that the last verse = something first. We'll see if the 'Mission Impossible' reference actually had anything to do with the chapter 3 solution or not. I AM = I'M.

    Doc

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    Doc,

    The following is from a Facebook exchange Ron had with particpants on 1/9/13.


    Raymond J Grier To Sharna and Tina, I believe they have said that the alternate book was only needed for solving Chapter 2's sequence...which has been solved. Ron, am I wrong?
    January 9 at 4:30pm




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    The World's Greatest Treasure Hunt Just to clarify... There are 2 versions of the Quest for the Golden Eagle Treasure hunt book. The only difference was there were different chapter 2's. The rest of the book is identical. No need to get a second copy as chapter 2 is solved. The other book is Cracking the Code. If you are having a difficult time with solving things and dont have a copy, it may be of some help. Ron
    January 9 at 4:49pm






    Please note the part where Ron himself says "No need to get a second copy as Chapter 2 is solved." To me that would indicate that there is no "Gold Eagle stuff" in the differences between the 2 versions of Chapter 2. If Ron says you don't need both of them, then logically how can anything in one text or the other be meaningful to the overall hunt? The questions are the same in both versions however, so that may be a different story.

    Morrigan

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    Morrigan,

    I was not intending to imply that both copies of the book are necessary to solve the golden eagle, but knowing that there are two different versions of '2' or knowledge of a 'male' and 'female' book might be.

    I'm fairly frustrated that either I'm too dense to figure out the 'correct' solution or that one does not exist.

    I'm an optimist by nature, so I'm leaning towards the 'too dense' option for the time being.

    Bearing your information about the sixteen state capitals in mind, the last Facebook clue is a compilation of previous Facebook clues about the 'always a state capital' from the first anagram clue and the 'Survivor' clues--nothing in the chapter itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morrigan View Post
    Doc,

    The following is from a Facebook exchange Ron had with particpants on 1/9/13.


    Raymond J Grier To Sharna and Tina, I believe they have said that the alternate book was only needed for solving Chapter 2's sequence...which has been solved. Ron, am I wrong?
    January 9 at 4:30pm




    <li id=".reactRoot[2].[1][2][1]{comment10151215278383097_24781761}" class="UFIRow UFIComment UFIAuthorReply" data-ft='{"tn":"R8"}'>

    The World's Greatest Treasure Hunt Just to clarify... There are 2 versions of the Quest for the Golden Eagle Treasure hunt book. The only difference was there were different chapter 2's. The rest of the book is identical. No need to get a second copy as chapter 2 is solved. The other book is Cracking the Code. If you are having a difficult time with solving things and dont have a copy, it may be of some help. Ron
    January 9 at 4:49pm






    Please note the part where Ron himself says "No need to get a second copy as Chapter 2 is solved." To me that would indicate that there is no "Gold Eagle stuff" in the differences between the 2 versions of Chapter 2. If Ron says you don't need both of them, then logically how can anything in one text or the other be meaningful to the overall hunt? The questions are the same in both versions however, so that may be a different story.

    Morrigan
    Well I for one don't believe Ron's statement regarding "the other" chapter 2 no longer having ANY use or relevance because C2 has been solved.

    I simply cannot see how it can be true, and have no idea how someone with only one version is on a 100% equal footing as someone who has both versions (for understanding both gold eagle and future chapters).

    I even sent Ron a message the day he posted that statement, asking if he really meant it. I never received a response.

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    I wonder if Ron is going to do a two-for-one and award the second and third eagles in the same week.

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    Are all 12 silver eagles made? I had assumed he's having them created as they're won. There's probably a significant lag between placing the order and actually having it completed.

    The price of silver has escalated and the sale of the books may be on the wane. I hope he finds a buyer for the golden eagle to ensure continued financial stability.

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