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    Quote Originally Posted by macphisto View Post
    To be perfectly honest I feel cheated.

    I had the first ten numbers and 8 of the second ten about 2 months ago but didn't submit an answer because I couldn't find the J or Q.

    This may well be the end of the road as far as I'm concerned.
    yeah really. i think we need an explaination from Ron on how to get the J and the Q. my biggest hurdle was realizing that there was no Q in the margin letters of the womens story and yet the womens was supposed to be the second half. obviously this threw all of us.


    where is the logic here??

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    Quote Originally Posted by macphisto View Post
    To be perfectly honest I feel cheated.

    I had the first ten numbers and 8 of the second ten about 2 months ago but didn't submit an answer because I couldn't find the J or Q.

    This may well be the end of the road as far as I'm concerned.
    Yeah, you and me both, I had a nice girls sequence that fitted from the first letter of the words on the righthand side, and it finished on the word 'quit' which seemed the way to go, but alas we needed the extra clues to solve this one.

    The 'J' I believe, we were meant to get by the the clue 'The end is JUST the beginning', as there is that word on the righthand side, maybe completely solving the cipher, would have told us more.
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    And yet, again I wonder how Ron had "fully expected it to be solved by now" back in March. I didn't even know there was a second second chapter. Was that information anticipated ("fully expected") to be found in my dreamworld? From a slip of paper from a mysterious guy wearing an eyepatch and shouldering a parrot?

    Though some Twelevers may have known the rest of the world would have been clueless. Even when I had finally discovered there was a second version I assumed either could have been used to find the final solution. It was not until Ron indicated "both versions are needed" that I realized I'd have to obtain the alternate version ... by which time it should have been solved.

    Can anybody explain?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gammon View Post
    And yet, again I wonder how Ron had "fully expected it to be solved by now" back in March. I didn't even know there was a second second chapter. Was that information anticipated ("fully expected") to be found in my dreamworld? From a slip of paper from a mysterious guy wearing an eyepatch and shouldering a parrot?

    Though some Twelevers may have known the rest of the world would have been clueless. Even when I had finally discovered there was a second version I assumed either could have been used to find the final solution. It was not until Ron indicated "both versions are needed" that I realized I'd have to obtain the alternate version ... by which time it should have been solved.

    Can anybody explain?
    I can explain it as well as how you get a solution even though two keys are missing. A disgusting sham is what this is. Do you really think I would suggest this to any friends or family now? I'm very disappointed in Mr. Shore. Right 42, left 10 clue, what is that? How would you even know from the text where to start the sequences? And how could you possibly find them without additional clues. The only good that has come out of all the time I have spent on this "treasure hunt" is that hopefully at least a dollar or two will actually make it to a worthy charity. I noticed also that the dollar limits to travel and get the silver eagle have changed from $6500 to $2500. Good luck with that after having not one, but two winners from across the pond.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pork Chop View Post
    I think we should all be given a little sticker to put on the front of our books, just underneath "All you have to do is find it"

    "But not without additional clues"
    Actually it's worse than that. I don't see the answer, even WITH the 38 additional clues and even WITH the solution posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gammon View Post
    Though some Twelevers may have known the rest of the world would have been clueless. Even when I had finally discovered there was a second version I assumed either could have been used to find the final solution. It was not until Ron indicated "both versions are needed" that I realized I'd have to obtain the alternate version ... by which time it should have been solved.
    Can anybody explain?
    Actually, before the torrent of facebook clues, the clues in the book led me to believe that perhaps you *didnt* need both copies to solve the chapter. It simply isn't allowed.

    The contest rules mostly prohibit the C2 solution. The contest rules (and copyright disclaimers) state very clearly that you may not duplicate the book, either physically or electronically. To solve C2, you need to either purchase enough books until you have both copies (something morally murky so I assumed this was not the case), give a friend a copy of your book (breaking the copying rules of the contest and international copyright laws), give your half (!?) sequence to someone else (also against a contest rule, and also stupid), or happen to know someone in your town who has the other book and run on over to their house to sit at a table and solve it together (completely impractical for a global hunt with complicated solutions).

    And so, to win chapter 2 in any rational manner, you actually need to legally disqualify yourself. It was only Ron's facebook post that specifically said "yes, you may break the rules of the contest" that made the solve of this chapter possible.

    That's what's so funny about the "fully expected it to be solved by now" statement. It implies that they were surprised no one had yet broken the contest rules.

    From a clue point-of-view, there was other evidence to suggest pre-Facebook-clues that both chapters weren't required. We are told in the chapter intro "It has been uncovered that there may have been a third Maltese Falcon", which told me that there was a THIRD source where perhaps the entire solution lay. That would have been a cool way to do this chapter. Give everyone different copies, but have the actual solution *somewhere else*, say in an archive article or on the website page with the rotating bird. Then it's completely fair too -- clues in both books lead to that page, and both parties have an equal opportunity to extract keys. You still need to work together, because both books give only partial information on what to do at that third location. That's how I would have made C2.

    Yet more evidence against having the keys in both chapters. Chapter intro on website: "Friends and family may not be trusted in the search for what seemed to be only a movie prop." Friends = Chip, Family = Maxie. So it sounded to me like NEITHER of the books contained the keys because they couldn't be trusted. So before any facebook clues came out, I had decided that even knowing there were 2 copies of the book, the keys could very well be elsewhere -- not in either of the 2 books.

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    I know someone associated from The Hunt does indeed follow this forum and with the holidays coming up and a huge opportunity to sell more books and get more people interested, you would think that at the very least there would be an explanation of how and where the "J" and "Q" keys were to be found. What is the point of even attempting to solve any other chapters because even with the solution, I cannot solve chapter two.

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    I am merely speculating but it's possible that to find the J and the Q you have to return to the Chip version.

    In the girl's version I tried going back to the beginning (both at the very beginning and just following the poem) to check for the two missing letters using the penultimate letter in each line. No luck (though maybe I overlooked something) ... so I went to the third letter from the end of each line but found the Q preceeding the J.

    One possible surmise is that the J is mandated from the process of elimination (knowing the Q is last and having retrieved the other 18 keys). On the one hand it's logical, but on the other it doesn't fit our expectations.

    Tit for tat: now explain for me Bravo Romeo Quebec ... and how Juliet is a perfect substitute for Romeo. Obviously, I only make this request to see if your head explodes. If not, your meds are probably at the appropriate levels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gammon View Post
    I am merely speculating but it's possible that to find the J and the Q you have to return to the Chip version.

    In the girl's version I tried going back to the beginning (both at the very beginning and just following the poem) to check for the two missing letters using the penultimate letter in each line. No luck (though maybe I overlooked something) ... so I went to the third letter from the end of each line but found the Q preceeding the J.

    One possible surmise is that the J is mandated from the process of elimination (knowing the Q is last and having retrieved the other 18 keys). On the one hand it's logical, but on the other it doesn't fit our expectations.

    Tit for tat: now explain for me Bravo Romeo Quebec ... and how Juliet is a perfect substitute for Romeo. Obviously, I only make this request to see if your head explodes. If not, your meds are probably at the appropriate levels.
    We have to assume that the clues are consistent, otherwise there is no point trying to solve or even discuss any of this.

    There are only 2 ways that I can think of that could make the posted solution consistent with all of the clues:

    1. The letters J and Q are hidden in invisible ink on page 47, the final page of Maxie. I doubt this, since I've tried every chemical known to mankind on this book over the years

    2. "When the end comes there is always a new start" implies that the end of C2:Maxie is somewhere else -- a somewhere else that contains the missing 2 keys. Of course, I find that hard to fathom since there aren't many words I can think of that end in a Q or a J, so NO English text would contain the letters in the right locations.

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    I fully concur that it's inconsistent. Color me shocked with our old friend with whom we play footsy. Some clues need to be treated as goose droppings, carefully sidestepped.

    After exhaustive rappelling one clue rings true: time for a much needed siesta.

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