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    A solution consists of three parts:

    1. The answer that is put into the map itself is a continuous string of 1-20. It represents the ONE key.
    2. It is composed of two different strings of 10 letters, an alpha key and an omega key. This represents the TWO keys.
    3. These two keys are likewise constructed from a total of a first, second, and third keys. These represent the THREE keys.

    Their very nature is given by the numbers themselves: 1-2-3. The alpha key consists of the '1' key alone, the omega key consists of a combination of the '2' and '3' keys. 1 - 23. The letters A and w. (The lower case omega is the letter 'w'.)

    This is the cause of the Omega key appearing to be a bit squirrely--it's actually a combination of two different keys.

    It's why the last letter of the Chapter 1 solution appeared on a different page and in a different paragraph from the other letters, and why the last two letters of the chapter 2 solution were missing--their omega keys are actually a combination of two different keys that are obeying a different set of rules.

    I shall hope this is making somewhat logical sense thus far.

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    Hi Doc,

    A pair of imponderables for you on this fine Saturday:

    1. Is you follow the eagle's beak on the homepage, do you end up going left, down, or both?

    2. If the final 4 survivors came 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th, are they the "final 4", "first 4", or "both"?

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    Doc,
    I have recently revisited my chapter 1 notes at least in part, and it is time to share more. Interesting ideas on your thoughts about the sudoku puzzles (please read my stuff below and tell me more). Much of my original work for chapter one was organizing and grouping clues based on the chapter questions they represented. These questions can't be just random warm-ups to open a map submission.

    First of all, the missing key in ch1 also happens to be the cryptex. I have discounted this part, but look at the answer to C1Q17 (Charlie?...very suspicious). I did a lot of work re-arranging the answer in C1Q20 in morse. I did it backwards, forwards, reverse, swap etc. All of the hints seem to point ATEND=MEN "a ten four is men, or at end", as in carl and lewis Q10. Q05 and 20 grouped together based on the question similarity itself. Similarly for Q4 and Q7 falling into the same half of solution. The answer for Q10, if you split that answer into two parts and the question numbers they represent may be significant, but I made the mistake of having both parts in the first half. Q19, Q6, Q16 were my pi keys. Q19, Q16 both have the word "pi" in the answer. I grouped Q06 in there because if you read it like Q19 61Q, you get the answer for Q6. Ironically, all three showed up in the second half. Q19 is interesting and I am not done, because it likely relates to the sudoku. If you re-arrange Q19 answer I was going with "pi my col", as in pi my column in one of the sudoku's. Q2 is tricky. I think the clues are in the poem itself. In fact, if you realize there is two versions of that poem, things get interesting. Q3, Q13,Q11,Q12 I had as my Mu keys, they key to unlocking the rest. Q13 answer..I used those numbers in the same half as well Q18, Q7, Q6.

    I never managed to string all of this together to get to a solution. I too would like to string it together without facebook clues. Perhaps with my arrangement and grouping thoughts and your first=last, and add in the sudoku's, it may be possible without additional clues.

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    Lobster,

    1. The first ten keys for chapter 3 appear to be read from left-to-right. The omega key appears to be read from right-to-left. Remember you follow the eagle's beak only part of the way.

    2. Using the solution I sent in yesterday, if one looks at the 'final four', namely B, F, K, and S (the abbreviations of the final four survivors), and add their respective positions together, the sum is 24 or 'X'. That makes me think the final part of this clue will read something akin to '...can still be found....together at the end'.

    Gizmo,

    I'm going to think about your post for a bit.

    Thanks,

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    Doc,
    I suppose my main thought is, a loose grouping of the chapter questions, answers, dates, ciphers may be useful in part to getting started, and that is what I am hoping. It won't solve, but it may point the way. Much like the early solving of a substitution cipher. I find it very ironic that many of my groupings ended up in the same half of the solution?

    I couldn't take it the step further in how to arrange the loose groupings or order. I relied too much on the numbers themselves and should have went in search of text in the chapter instead and/or the sudoku's. The eagle eye clue locked in some numbers, and some were on the "edge" of either the first or second half. If I had taken the loose groupings and then examined the pages for letters, I wonder if it may have went further. In any event, I'm still looking at ch1 carefully to see how it fits together.

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    Lobster,

    I thought some more about your questions, particularly the second one, and that was an excellent observation I had overlooked. Like so many other things in that clue, it's a hint about a future puzzle for the Golden Eagle.

    You've already encountered this same concept in the chapter 2 solution: Male, female, both. (The J and the Q refer to a Jack and a Queen from a deck of cards.)

    Gizmo,

    As I've been looking for the correct solution to chapters 1 and 2, I've finally found the correct starting point.

    It was the map.

    I'll try to help you get pointed in the right direction--I'm still trying to figure it all out as well.

    'Reading' the map will give you some major clues to start correlating to the chapters and their solutions.

    'Start' 1-20 AT 'X'. The 20 blanks in the middle are both 1-20 numbers and 1-20 letters, AT. This is actually another version of Lobster's observation in his prior post. One item, its opposite, and the two together. First four, final four, both. Male, female, both.

    Numbers, letters, both. It's a hint about some ROMAN NUMERALS that are going to come into play--they're both numbers and letters.

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    I see your point with starting at X. My further observation (or maybe the same one), is we keep getting clues where we start with some 'X' in the encryption. With some decryption and/or shifting, those X's turn into U's which is what is before U 1-20,(A-T). I believe this clue for how to handle the puzzle has been dropped more than one time. Now, this could be just a coincidence due to the nature of us having an alphabet that goes from A-T (stops before U), and a shift (3) operation makes that an 'U' an 'X'. Or maybe it is indeed the intended start?

    In any event, I think part of your method and thinking is correct. There is something bothering me though, in having random questions at the end of each chapter. The questions, encryption and answer must mean something to the puzzle. We literally solve these questions to get keys. Otherwise, why else 20 questions in each chapter? Something fundamental is missing with how the chapter questions relate to the answer (and chapter text), along with the three keys, beginning and end. Or, at least that is my theory, anyways.

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    Gizmo,

    You're aware the facebook clues have myriad interpretations. I'm becoming aware almost all of the more reasonable interpretations are correct--some of them are for the silver eagle and the others for the golden eagle.

    Apply your powers of observation and puzzle-solving to the treasure map itself. Consider the map to be one giant facebook clue.

    I'll try to help you begin:

    '3 at the start' has several different meanings, all of which will be useful at various stages.

    The picture of the book represents a 'first book', and it's referring to GENESIS. Consider it a word puzzle for a 'female gene'--if you understand that, you'll understand why there's a male/female dichotomy occurring that will be applied later.

    The PARCHMENT and the QUILL are the CHAPTER NM with 'two that are missing', and the QUILL is QU I LL, or Line 1 50/50.

    The last item that occurs 'at the start' is the ART itself.

    There's another reason the old man holds a '7' in chapter 1--the art always provides a confirmer for the 'connection' between the two fragments of 10. In chapter 1, the '7' or 'G' connects the alpha and the omega keys. In chapter 2, the Maltese Falcon represents 'male/female' that was equivalent to the 'J' and the 'Q'. In chapter 3, it's the WATER in the art that's the connection.

    We haven't scratched the surface of this game because we've been stumbling in the dark for two years. We have a LOT we need to discuss, but I need the go-ahead from the author, and I'm probably not going to get that until I get the phone call.

    The map is the key.

    Look for the directions, they can help provide the A NSWE R.

    Doc

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    I went back through my C3 stuff to work out where I went wrong, and was surprised to find that I actually had identified a great number of the relevant C3 clues all along. I had just gone one level too deep relationship-wise, and stumbled onto a more complicated (yet consistent) web of clues. I wouldn't be surprised if I actually solved a bit of the gold eagle by accident.

    Well I've been giving C4 a shot using no FB clues, and this time not using any complex relationships. I think I'm making good progress... made my first submission today, and my current thinking is actually consistent with what I had though C4 would involve years ago.

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    Lobster,

    What do you see as being the relevant C3 clues? I think it's exquisitely important to figure out how these chapters were solved without Facebook involvement. I'm open to any and all ideas.

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