# Thread: CHAPTER 4 - discussion and clues

1. Originally Posted by Rx Jeff
Clues meant to throw us off? Really? Has not the text of the story done enough of this? See you all in September when clues meant to finally get a solution will be released.
So let's get this straight:

They say they are frustrated that no one is solving the chapter right after they release some additional FACEBOOK CLUES that were intentionally designed to take people further away from the solution?

You just can't make this stuff up...

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Guys, don't get flustered with the throwing off part of the latest clue. I think it's intended to help with a well kept secret that needs to be revealed. My own opinion is this has to do with key#5, but I could be wrong.

"one of the substitution ciphers will help you"
"to solve part of the mystery, the Peralta family had to talk to the code talkers"
"the fifth number is a 2,4,8"

Now, for discussion as to what substitution your spidey senses might be on the look out for.
T: A-WOH; A _ Who
T: D-AH; Had
S: DIBEH; Hide Be_
N: TSAH; Has T_
I: YEH-HES; She Yes He
D: BE; Be

My biggest revelation of the day is the dichotemy. There are a few choices of which two questions that you could use, but I think there are a couple obvious choices that stand out. I'm pretty certain these tell you which 13 letters fall into which half of the solution. Or they might tell you 12, because two went on a hunt of their own, but if you use more of the clues, it can be easily figured out all 13.

There are a couple hiccups that are intended to fool people on the wrong track as this weeks clue suggests. My guess is as follows. First, we need to use the evens. Either even letters, or even words. That may or may not apply to the husband and the wife the same, has yet to be seen. Evens - evens, or evens - odds? with husband and wife? Could be letters, could be words. Next, there are a couple times that the husband asks questions and the wife answers. Then there are times where the husband answers and the wife questions. Take note of the period and question mark carefully. I think we should reject the ones that don't fit, which were meant to throw us off... which is what I am getting at for this week's clue... or at least my interpretation.

3. Originally Posted by gizmo2337
Guys, don't get flustered with the throwing off part of the latest clue..
Oh, there's no problem with there being red herrings. Herrings make puzzles more interesting.

But at the same time, one should not be surprised that it is remaining unsolved if the clue givers are intentionally making the puzzle more difficult. That is all I was saying

As for this clue, I think it provides a few specifics that may allow for it to be solved... will have to take a closer look today.

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Originally Posted by Lobster
Oh, there's no problem with there being red herrings. Herrings make puzzles more interesting.

But at the same time, one should not be surprised that it is remaining unsolved if the clue givers are intentionally making the puzzle more difficult. That is all I was saying

As for this clue, I think it provides a few specifics that may allow for it to be solved... will have to take a closer look today.
This fits with starting at "the end"...after all, this chapter is backwards in its own way.

"..how far...how many steps so far...splIT it now or later"

The part I don't like is nothing is meaningful before page 72. Is there another way to interpret that...since the questions "so?" was repeated twice...and then came up again in my quote above?

Another thought...do we start at key 20 and work backwards on this one...or might we even not have a starting place and just make the bridge between sequences and then put each letter into its place at the end to fit the clues? I'm saying this since key 18 options were revealed first...then 14, then 8. Ron's hinting at J around 14 or 15, which puts it into the second half...telling nothing more than it's probably which half is which? The dichotomy clue also hints at the same.

6. At this point I think the only clue we know for sure meant to throw us off is 'It's easier than you think.'

7. Originally Posted by kazoo
At this point I think the only clue we know for sure meant to throw us off is 'It's easier than you think.'
My biggest fear is that one or more of the key placement clues are herrings, in which case chances are pretty high that I found -- and discarded -- the correct sequence long ago.

8. If the key placement clues are bogus, then the whole chapter is lost. Not sure how we got to this point, but I have to believe the author is a bit miffed. Really do not think he wanted his readers/questors spending countless hours chasing misleading clues. But that is exactly where we are.

9. The AUTHOR is miffed. SO WHAT!!!! Guess what? His feelings are no longer, if they ever were, my first priority. And herrings do not make a puzzle more fun, and you don't even believe that Lobster.

If the key placements and/or the before page 72 are wrong, then the author's feelings are the least of my worries, because "miffed" does not even begin to do justice to how I will feel. Personally, I have not read the clues for months or given a d**** about their numerous arcane interpretations. I have been simply brute forcing all possible solutions for various codes, and skips of those codes, and skips of skip codes of the given pages. Which is a stupid way to try to solve a stupid puzzle of stupid numbers in some idiotic order. And, strangely, I find this more rewarding than endlessly trying to figure out what the "clues" such as they are, might or might not mean. Because they could mean anything.

10. People,
At the risk of having everyone's frustration thrown at me, I just have to open my mouth. All this trash-talking is simply a waste of time that could be directed at solving this chapter. Ron has NOT published red herring clues. Many of the clues have subtle nuances in them that are there to help. Go back and reread them. If you follow the directions in the clues, you will be coming much closer to a solution. The solution is there.

Remember, we are puzzle-solvers. We are supposed to be having fun doing it. If we can't solve a particular puzzle, so be it. The fun is in the trying. What fun is there if the answer is so easy that you don't even have to use your intelligence and problem solving skills.

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