Thread: CHAPTER 4 - discussion and clues

1. Well I'm off for a trip Will take the book of course, but won't have much time at all to look at it.

Not sure what the deal is with C4. The saddest part is I feel closer to solutions to C5, C11, and C12 than I am to C4, even with seventy zillion FB clues. I've had numerous C4 solutions now that fit ALL... ALL... the clues (and significant amounts of stuff in the book), and they just keep getting rejected, so I'm nearing the end of even trying on this one anymore. A main issue is that all of the clues internal to the book dealing with this chapter are interfered with by at least one other chapter which also uses the concept of 2s. So, trying to use the book and its associated elements to try to solve this chapter is an exercise in extreme frustration. There's simply too much (likely unintentional) contradictory overlap.

So who knows... maybe someone out there is close. I hope someone wins this soon, so we can get on with a chapter (C5) which I think is a very cool puzzle of its own.

Have a good summer, everyone!

2. Lobster,
Enjoy your trip and summer. Chapter 4 will be waiting for us until fall.

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The last clue for summer is interesting. At first I struggled with the CNOIZECEH, but then realised its just a simple substitution cipher.

EXPLORERS
ARIZONANS
FROMTHERE
THESEASON

All are interesting possibilities, and there are more, I just tossed out the ones that caught my eye for discussion.

4. Not sure how you are applying a substitution cipher equally to each letter, but the answer I got was much different and I know it was correct. It explains what the cipher most certainly will be for this chapter.
Does not give us a start point and negates other possibilities.

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I think there is two hints from the clue. The first one 22/7 helps with the start and finish pages. So, in that regards, I disagree about the start and finish. For now, I'll go with the start somewhere around
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HoW far
NoT far
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The simple substitution I have above works for this. Note the W which must be used.
noizeceh=soNTHesea (the season)

The next part works into "sPlIt it now or later". We need to get the start lit and make the best answer fit.

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Well, that didn't work out either. Funny how it really had me convinced. Does anyone have a definite starting spot? Let's just start with the clues that hint to where to start and agree on that.

To start skip over then go back.
To decode the solution for chapter 4 a clue is hidden within a line of Kryptos. Look for a partner.

I could debate many of the other clues as "maybe" hinting at start, but could also be something else.

7. These are the only other two indicators I see for where to start:

Anything previous to page 72 will not help...
The dichotomy of solving this chapter is found by looking at both questions

I am struggling with deciding on a starting spot too. Maybe there is a subtle hint within the clues that I am missing.

What do you make of the clue "Won more than chapter 1"? One more what?

8. Originally Posted by lesleygalaxy
These are the only other two indicators I see for where to start:

Anything previous to page 72 will not help...
The dichotomy of solving this chapter is found by looking at both questions

I am struggling with deciding on a starting spot too. Maybe there is a subtle hint within the clues that I am missing.

What do you make of the clue "Won more than chapter 1"? One more what?
One more sequence?

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Won more than chapter one.

My take could be any of the following:
-besides, if I'm right it WON't matter that much. I'm sure we're close.
-I was beginning to WONder if you would ever get up
-split if NOW or later

I'll go with the last one.

10. Originally Posted by gizmo2337
Won more than chapter one.
Or could the first key=1 just like in chapter one?... If you win something it's because you came in first... and if you won more than just chapter one, you came in first here too??