# Thread: CHAPTER 4 - discussion and clues

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In any event, I thought it was line 20 page 78, using the evens. "weeks before my father left for good. He let me sleep outside in the". Using the even words you are left with
"before father for he me outside the", which leaves you with

EHTDISUOMRFAB (backwards) - RUGQVFHBZESNO (CAESAR 13)
BEFORATHMUSID (forwards) - NQRADMFTYGEUP (CAESAR 12)

I was leaning to backwards, but the only thing that makes no sense is the cipher being odd. It does leave you with exactly half (13) letters, and 10 keys. 1-10 is good. There were leftovers on the page twice. The even words in the questions leave you with "are" "you" and then you can find the words "out" and her" five times. Where it's at, make, take, every one, good, left, over, step and how many other words are all in the clues. Pretty sure the page is right. Very possible I was just doing it wrong. I figured 1-10 was good. Then omega 11-20 gets you on "second" base on page 74 line 10. "Not exactly. Listen, thats all i can tell you right now. you can". The navajo poem used the words TSE-NIL TSAH twice, in capitals. I figured anagram for "listen. Thats". If you find well kept secret...the words well and kept lead you to "crusted"...but its on an odd line. If you use the question even, you find the word hear, but it doesnt make sense, because hearing only shows up on odd lines.

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If I was using Lobsters Alpha my Omega would be NROJDFPGKQ
uh, but key 18 can't be G? It's K,F or Q

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Originally Posted by gizmo2337
uh, but key 18 can't be G? It's K,F or Q
oh yes missed that... good lol. only had a quick look applying the method that i had been using.

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My omega has
"exactly thats i tell right you"
EXACTLYHSIRGOU (forwards) - PILNEWJSDTCRZF (CAESAR 11)

I was sure that PI and CLIP were literally part of omega. The final result would be as follows. I even submitted the two missing at the end the other way, just in case. I suspect this is way off, but I'll be choked if somehow only two are backwards or something else silly.
RGQFHBESNO
PILJDTCKAM

5. Originally Posted by Lobster
Fairly certain CHATBLESMI was alpha. I had it a while ago.

Congrats to Annika!
That's the Alpha I had too

6. Shrek, Lobster and I all had the same alpha. From a question. Skip over then go back. Omega must have been from question 8 or in the navajo poem.

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Originally Posted by Rx Jeff
Shrek, Lobster and I all had the same alpha. From a question. Skip over then go back. Omega must have been from question 8 or in the navajo poem.
How did you guys get that? Explain slowly and surely...please do tell.

8. 14. What blue semiprecious.....
CHATBLAESEMI. No duplicates
CHATB-LESMI
The father made new ones. U=A, V=B, W=C, etc

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Ok, I see the thinking. Na, I really doubt it. In what world did question 14 become so important? How about Q16-P, 22, or is it line 22 BaseBall on page 78?

And *if* this is the right way...funny how P is next don't you think?, if I guessed that earlier? This has nothing to do with judging the man's questions though. We had all hoped a link to the chapter questions, but I just don't think it exists.

10. We all pondered the whole "start at the Needle" which is of course letter N and 14. And the very first clue said the riddles are where its at. Chapter 3's first clue told you to look for capitals. Better heed and believe the first clue of every chapter going forward. Ron said it was easy. We just all assumed it would be more difficult than the previous chapters.
When you see the final solution, you will know what I am talking about.