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    Greetings on a superb morning in the Bayou State of Louisiana!

    Apologies for the tardiness of a response--dratted internet issues.

    Kazoo, I'm one hundred percent positive you're correct.

    Jeff, 'It is all right there in the book and online' is spot on.

    Everyone--myself included--thought the puzzle resembled a jigsaw puzzle with all its pieces you collect through the stories.

    It's not.

    It's a breadcrumb puzzle. You start with a small set of clues which one must solve to get to the next set of clues and rinse and repeat.

    The beginning set of 'breadcrumbs' is all we ever needed to reach the solution:

    1. The three keys from chapter 9
    2. The nature of the first three questions of each chapter
    3. The original invisible ink clue : The first........is equal to the last.

    That's it. It's analogous to why there are three 'breadcrumbs' of the golden eagle chapter of the ciphertext, the Benjamin Franklin, and the 3-d soduku. It's always '3 keys'. The old-timers around here will recall that the original invisible ink clue was the ONLY specific clue for a map we actually received at the beginning of the hunt.

    The author's intended chapter solution will be impossible without solving the underlying mechanism due to the breadcrumb nature of the puzzle.

    Once you dive into this thing in all its resplendent glory, the puzzle opens up unlike anything I've encountered. I've not worked on a hunt with this sort of breadcrumb solution mechanism before, and it's both daunting and exhilarating at the same time.

    I can tell you that the first three chapters' solutions were found in the text, chapters 4, 5, and 6 will be found in the questions, chapters 7, 8, and 9 will be found using the answers, and chapters 10, 11, and 12 will be found using the soduku.

    I want these chapters solved so we can get to the golden eagle.

    Fun times ahead,

    Doc

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    Doc has an interesting theory on where to find the solutions. But a clue said this one is different from the rest, so I doubt you will see another one coming from the questions. Something for those going forward. I am well emersed into Endgame and it is fantastic. Social media like Youtube and website give you mini puzzles which add to the solve of the puzzle of the book.
    Sorry Mr. Shore. But taking another two weeks off after a chapter lasting 19 months is just down right stupid. Especially when a new puzzle of this magnitude is starting.

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    OMG!

    I Just realized what the author did with his facebook post:

    'Clues for chapter 5 in two weeks time'.

    He just gave you the solution to the chapter if you understand the underlying method.

    The date he's referring to is 10/17/14.

    Kudos to the folks realizing that's an 'X' on one end and 'North' on the other--think 'map'.

    With a 'key' in the middle.

    Amazing clue couched in something appearing mundane.

    Tomorrow's clue gets skipped because it has an 'X' in its middle 10/10/14. Think 'blank'.

    Keep the faith,

    Doc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc View Post
    The date he's referring to is 10/17/14.
    Sorry Doc but I just can't buy into thinking he knew over 5 years ago that the first 4 chapters would be solved precisely in time to release the first clue to chapter 5 on 10/17/14. I think he just needs time to contact his web programmers to set-up a new ink clue and eagle eye. Also it's a holiday weekend up here North of the border... Happy Thanksgiving all you Canucks!

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    If all these predictions don't work out, is there going to be some honest re-thinking? Look, California Red applied an honest method. He had a hypothesis, tested it against known facts, and it did not fit, and he said as much.

    The other method seems to be to accept as a FACT that the 3 keys theory is correct and collect all possible shreds to support the theory. But no one with one of these grand theories have PROVED anything - they have not won. And, all the winners have relied entirely and only on FB clues (and of course the invisible ink, etc.). They have NOT had any unifying theory of idea that helped them. Please note that the guy who came in second in Chapter 4 only had the book for a few months. He hasn't even had time to come up with all that kind of stuff. But he came up with a solution - by picking out letters from text based on FB clues.

    So to summarize - using FB clues wins. Using unified theories does not win. This has happened in 4 out of 4 cases so far by the winners' own admission.

    I admire Doc for trying to find some meaning here. I wanted that. I wanted Masquerade or something like it. I wanted it to be that way. But it isn't.

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    Riddle me this, riddle me that... extremely disappointed in the spiraling downfall of this once great treasure hunt is where I'm at.

    I am not looking forward to chapter 5 if it's going to be a bunch of facebook clues every Friday.

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    Mills,

    I don't think you're going to have that problem. I think the Facebook clues for Chapter 5 are now finished.

    Do you know how you were supposed to order the leftover P, Q, and R from chapter 4? By recognizing they corresponded to a JKL in your created cipher key and by realizing that JKL are the 'Middle Key' of your telephone.

    The leftover letters represent a 'blank in the middle'. If you knew that the form of this key was 'X O X'

    Have faith, folks.

    It's always darkest before the dawn....

    Doc

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    I am STUNNED at how good this man's clues are.

    I just clicked the optic cross for chapter 4 for the first time and solved its last clue, and I figured out something for myself I hadn't realized before that made me excited enough to come share with the group. It's a clue for both the golden eagle and the chapter map silver eagle.

    The added clue was this: 3. This is Joy--three straggling numbers were added to complete the solution. No Duff!

    The obvious thing that sticks out like a sore thumb was the bit at the end: 'No Duff!'

    It's a mini-puzzle whose answer contained two major clues.

    1. Realize that the clue is three separate parts: No Duff !
    2. The exclamation mark is the '1 key' on your keyboard. It's identifying this clue as being a 'first key', especially since first = last once again--the exclamation point is the last part of the clue.
    3. Split the letters N ODU FF which is 1 - 3 - 2 letters.
    4. Realize that F = 6 and and two 'SIX's forwards and backwards = X IS SIX: 1 - 2 - 3.
    5. N ODU XX. Just like you did SIX forwards and backwards, you now take the opposite of each individual piece: N = S, ODU = UDO, and XX remains XX as it's the same forwards and backwards.

    You now have a huge clue that's a 'First key':

    N ODU XX becomes S UDO XX.

    The two X's represents blanks, which when you examine the format of the answer, you will realize fits the format of a chapter solution with the missing letters at its end.

    Fill in the two blanks reading forwards and backwards and you'll have two FIRST KEYS, one for the golden eagle and one for the silver eagle.

    SODUKU = Golden eagle. The two missing letters even tells you it's for the golden eagle: KU = 11 21 which you rearrange into 1 121: 1 = First, 1 21 = Au (the symbol for gold).
    EXODUS. The FIRST KEY of book, chapter, and verse that will govern the solutions of the next few chapters.

    I had already figured out the bible passage a while back. Seeing this confirmer made me all tingly inside.

    LOL!

    Keep going, folks.

    I'm eager to help everyone hit the reboot switch on this. I want to get everyone on the same page and get this thing revved up.

    I never, ever would have been able to solve the ciphers at the end of the chapters without a ton of help from folks around here, and it's time for me to really return the favor.

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    Doc,
    I can't use the optic cross at this moment, it won't work on this PC correctly. However, if that is what the clue says, I think it means something else.

    "No duff" can be skip ciphered and/or anagram to "found F". In fact, "NODF" are all part of omega in CH4. F is number 14 in the sequence, although our clue told us the 14th letter was J,L,N.

    It might even be simpler than this. I can't follow how your two six's and X is six (your part 4 above).

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    Gizmo, anagram the letters in SIX SIX into X IS SIX. It's actually a pallindrome.

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