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    Doc,
    Ok, I got it now. It's not always easy to follow your posts, but I appreciate the extra explanation. I'm not sure I buy into your explanation. However, if this was correct, would we not be likely looking for
    EXODUS = TEXAS for CH5? How does that fit...I'm playing along here for the sake of it.
    EX-(ODU=AT)-S ?

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    Gizmo,

    Think back to the very beginning of this game. Every one of us made a wrong turn from the get-go. We were looking for jigsaw pieces by scouring the text, facebook clues, extra clues--anything we could get our hands on trying to collect the parts to a 100-part puzzle and arrange them using the map as a sort of box top picture.

    It's not that sort of puzzle. It's what I'm calling a 'breadcrumb puzzle'. I've not seen anything quite like it before.

    If you were around at the beginning of this hunt, you will recall we were given only one clue that was a specific map clue. It was in the original invisible ink clue. Do you recall it?

    The original invisible ink clue's text and format:

    'To find your way on the map keep in mind that the first...

    ...

    ....is equal to the last.'

    That's it. That's all we got.

    After much pulling of hair, gnashing of teeth, and general falling-on-the-floor, we were unable to get anywhere with chapter 1, and the author started releasing the infamous facebook clues--although they weren't on facebook back in the day.

    And all we ever needed was that dad-blasted Invisible Ink clue.

    This is still a 100-piece puzzle, but you've got to discover each piece by following the trail. It's not easy, but it's a fun trip.

    But, you have to follow the trail.

    If you knew this was going to be a breadcrumb puzzle, and your first clue was that Invisible Ink clue, where would you go next? And how would you 'know' you had landed in the correct spot?

    This is your first step of about 100. Don't overthink it. Don't worry about the map at this point. It will show up when it shows up. If you can see how to do this first step and how you 'know' it's right, you've made the first step on the right path.

    Keep the faith,

    Doc

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    I never did see that exact II clue you mentioned, but I did see the next one.
    "This is joy. my job is to help you solve the treasure hunt."
    Going back to old school thinking, I always thought that each chapter would be a learning experience (taught from the author) for the overall (golden) hunt. If indeed this is true, then four chapters solutions should be enough to get started? Few have looked back at the other chapter solutions. We have taken the winners explanation at face value, which I think could be a mistake. There might be more going on or a few things missed. The clue doesn't say use facebook clues to solve each chapter map, it says his job is to teach us how to do the hunt. Perhaps we haven't caught on as much as Ron would have liked. The first is equal to the last. Ch1 solution first and last were A and Q. Perhaps the answer is in the questions. I've lost the second part of Q17 from C1. I answered that before I realised you don't get to see your answers after you submit!

    This is at risk of high-jacking the wrong discussion thread though. Perhaps this discussion should continue in another thread I am thinking? I would indeed like to discuss such topic a little more though.

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    The solutions are in the book.

    The herring design in this hunt is interesting in theory, but the signalling doesn't really work very well in practice since the signalling definitions are often ambiguously defined and inconsistently applied. That is a problem.

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    Led astray by red herrings.
    Here was my own (failed) solution, in gloriful detail:

    "The evens" trully have it.

    I took this to heart, and used only even lines, even pages. Since it anagrams to "the seven", I stuck with pages in the 70's.
    This really only leaves pages 74,76,78 since pg72 has no even line questions, and there isn't two questions.

    At some point page 78 stuck out. Those two questions:
    "Where are you going"
    "Nadine? Is that you?"
    The even words of the question: (are, going, is, you). A simple search for words that are similar with one letter off, you find the words
    OUT and HER. In fact, you find those words exactly five times on that page, but only once do you find the even word.
    One of them falls between words "make" and "take". The word "heart" at the top of the page could be part of valentines day clue. The word
    "steps" also falls on the page. The even "OUT" and "HER" just happen to fall exactly two lines from each question, which could be the dichotomy.
    On another line you have "every one". Even the Peralta's could help with the word "stones" on that page. The words "left" and "over" can
    both be found twice as the "leftovers". If you start at one of the "over"s and skip over, the next word, you find "HER", but it's on an odd line
    and word, so you have to go backwards to find the right one.

    I settled on line 20 pg78 because 1-10 is good, 11-20 gets you on base. The words "her" and "out" are contained within "fatHER" and "OUTside".
    "weeks before my father left for good. He let me sleep outside in the"
    Using the evens, we have
    BEFORE FATHER FOR HE ME OUTSIDE THE
    You can do forwards with Caesar 12, or backwards with Caesar 13. I figured backwards was more correct because it was exactly 13 letters
    to use them all, with 10 being keys
    EHTDISUOMRFAB (backwards)
    RUGQVFHBZESNO (caesar 13)
    RGQFHBESNO (UVZ)

    On to omega. But where to look? 1-10 is good. 11-20 gets you on base. (how about SECOND base)?
    I settle on line 10 page 74 because of the word "second" on page 75 line 10.
    In Navajo poem, the words "tse-nil tsah" happen twice. Could be anagram "listen that's".
    "not exactly. listen, that's all I can tell you right now. you can"
    using the even words, we have
    "EXACTLY THATS I TELL RIGHT YOU"
    EXACTLYHSIRGOU (forwards)
    PILNEWJSDTCRZF (caesar 11)
    PILJDTC-KAM

    the key "K" was locked in place based on key placement clue, which left "AM" as missing. I tried both ways. It even looks fishy if you look for the word MAP.
    The PI clue I figured was a helper for the start of omega. Heck, the whole word "CLIP" was in omega for either of my solutions.

    Of course, the above solution isn't even close! Not even in the right section of the book *facepalm*. Even afterwards looking at the real solution, I think my explanation is better, even if it's wrong.

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    Oops.

    It is not silver. It is 24kt gold plated bronze.

    Honest Ron seems to have a problem. 24kt GOLD PLATED. Seriously, I can gold plate a candy bar. It's a lovely BRONZE EAGLE, suitable as as a bookend.


    Charitably, it might take 1/30 of an ounce to "plate" an eagle of that size. That is currently worth $41.30. The bronze is worth $2.04/pound. Silver is only worth $17.04/ounce if it were silver - BUT IT'S NOT.

    Have fun using Facebook clues to compete for a bronze eagle. I predict this will be the last chapter, as we are clearly out of eagles and using the demo model as a prize.

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    Oh, and appraised value is not related at all to market value or insurance replacement value. It's what an appraiser is willing to say it is for a price. And they are paid as percentage of the appraisal. And artistic value is in the eye of the beholder. In other words, market value. And since the "gold" eagle hasn't sold...

    It's called a bait and switch at this point. Intended from the beginning or not.

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