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    Quote Originally Posted by Rx Jeff View Post
    New clue, but little discussion. Why is that? And what happened to Doc?
    Dunno. I'm still not 100% sure how many pieces the answer is in. I could give a couple of pages of evidence for two different options, and some less-likely circumstantial evidence for 2 more options.

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    Two friends will help you implies alpha and omega so I would say 2 sequences of 10 but the second half missing 2 keys. So 10 + 8 then the missing 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rx Jeff View Post
    Two friends will help you implies alpha and omega so I would say 2 sequences of 10 but the second half missing 2 keys. So 10 + 8 then the missing 2.
    That is the assumption i am making too. There is also pretty good evidence for 4 sequences. There is even evidence for a single sequence, and three sequences (one more than chapter one could be 3 sequences for example).

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    So little discussion on the most recent clue . Hope the next clue generates more interest.7

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    Greetings from the Bayou State of Louisiana!

    I stick my head inside the door from time-to-time.

    Here's my frustration, what I'm thinking about the whole puzzle, and things for you to think about specifically for Chapter 4. A quick digression--I haven't really worked on anything since the Chapter 3 solution, and I've submitted no answers--I'm waiting to see how much of the overall pattern continues with the Chapter 4 solution.

    The hunt is valid. Prizes are being awarded--heck, the author even provides a fun hunt to the winners to find their prizes as opposed to simply shipping the winners their bird.

    Here's my problem in a nutshell: The preliminary puzzles represented by the 20 questions at the end of each chapter are primarily ciphers and sodukus.

    Guys, ciphers and sodukus are as logical as Vulcans. The transition from these preliminary puzzles to the ambiguity of the Facebook clues is jarring.

    The author and the soduku master that created his hunt are logic-oriented to their bones. I am very much convinced there's an underlying mechanism that's taking place for each solution that's a lot more logical than piecing together a Facebook solution, and I'm too dense to figure it out as yet.

    The old-timers will remember the original invisible ink clue that stated "...the first.......is equal to the last."

    The first three map solutions have consisted of an Alpha sequence of ten letters and an omega sequence of ten letters. From the Facebook clues, I'm suspecting the same method will carry through into Chapter 4.

    Here's one of the curiosities: The Alpha sequence is always the sequence of ten letters that need no further solution. The Omega sequence is always a combination of two different things.

    Let's look at the necessary information for the first three solutions and consider 'first = last'.

    Chapter 1
    Location: Paragraph 1 and paragraph 23
    Method: First instance of alphabet letters A - T

    It's interesting to note that the location had to be paragraph numbers for it to be logical. If it had been simply page numbers, the implication would have been to collect letters at the beginning of each page. That's not what happened on p. 7. The collection had to begin at the paragraph.

    Chapter 2
    Two versions of Chapter 2
    Location: At the end of the hidden poem
    Method: Ends of lines

    Chapter 3
    Location: Beginning and end of the chapter
    Method: Capital letters
    Caesar shift of 3

    In hindsight, the Facebook clue from chapter 3 was amazing in trying to help us figure it out: 'Always a Secantroam'. The correct solution to this Facebook clue was to solve it TWICE.

    'Scent Aroma' was supposed to clue you that you were dealing with something equivalent, namely our old friend 'first=last'. The second solution to the anagram was SACRAMENTO. It's a play on words. The letters 'Secantroam' are the LETTERS of the state capital of California, 'Sacramento'.

    In other words, they're 'capital letters'. Get it? That's really clever, and it was trying to tell us that the method for first/last in chapter 3 would consist of Capital letters.

    The problem is that there's an outlier for each chapter's solution. There's a THIRD part to each solution.

    Chapter 1: The 'Q' located in paragraph 24
    Chapter 2: The missing J and Q
    Chapter 3: The four missing letters

    It's very curious to me that the Alpha sequence of ten letters is always this 'first' key in these 'first/last' pairs. The Omega sequence of ten letters is always a combination of the 'last' and the outlier.

    The explanation may be as simple as 1-2-3. First letter of the alphabet is A; 23rd letter of the alphabet is w, which is a lower case omega.

    The Alpha sequence would always be the '1'; the omega sequence would always be a combination of the 2 and the 3.

    The Chapter 4 Facebook clue about 1-10, 11-20, and 21-26 are implying three different parts as well.

    Considering chapter 4, see if you can categorize each clue as being for LOCATION or METHOD.

    "Judge a man by his questions rather than his answers"
    "Riddle me this, Riddle me that, the questions are where it's at"'
    The Kryptos section with its question mark towards the end

    These all look like location clues to me. It will revolve around either question marks in the text or the 1-20 questions at the end of the chapter.

    The Kryptos section is curious and goes along with what I'm suggesting in this post. The 'first/last' portion revolving around questions will be valid up to a point represented by the question mark in the Kryptos clue. After that will come chapter 4's outlier.

    It's good brain exercise, and I'm looking forward to seeing the solution to Chapter 4.

    I'll leave you with this tidbit,

    Revelations 22:13 'I am the alpha and the omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.' That's too coincidental for the solutions to chapter 1 - 3 for me to dismiss it outright. I don't know if there was a hidden cipher in the book that led you to this or if it's something we're supposed to figure out after the fact as a clue for the Golden Eagle.

    March forward! Don't be afraid to throw ideas and finds out into the ether in the fear someone will take your ideas and beat you to a solve. It's the one of the best ways to generate some excitement, and I don't want any treasure hunt to end early from lack of enthusiasm.

    Keep on truckin',

    Doc

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    Great post, Doc! And very glad to see you back.

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    I guess my main point is that the solutions appear to have a single underlying solution consisting of three parts which combine into two sequences of ten numbers apiece. The first sequence stands alone, and the second sequence consists of a combination of the other two parts.

    Believe it or not, I prefer simplicity. I'm wondering if the original map clue--which has remained consistent over the first three chapters--is the clue we need:

    First = Last

    That might represent all three solution components with the equals sign a clue for the outliers. Gives me something to think about.

    One of the points to ponder is that the map solutions are entered in the order of 'first-last-outlier'.

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    The World's Greatest Treasure Hunt

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    The next clue for Chapter 4:
    The dichotomy of solving this chapter is found by looking at both questions.

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    Two versions of Chapter 2
    A quote by Voltaire: V = 2-2
    A dichotomy of two questions--2 Q's
    First = Last: An equals sign composed of two 'queues' or two 'lines'

    I wish I was smart enough to figure out What's Really Going On.

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    Good to see you back Doc

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