# Thread: CHAPTER 4 - discussion and clues

1. Well said Lobster. It truly is a remarkable book with many intertwined ideas, linking chapters and clues. As for this week's clue, I think I will need more "luck".

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I haven't worked a lot on the latest cipher--I don't know if it helps or hurts.

I'm still thinking we're looking at a single solution that has a different iteration for each chapter.

Based on one of the recent facebook clues, we're to look at two questions.

As hinted in an earlier chapter, a 'question' is a 'Q'. A 'queue' is a 'line'.

Two 'questions'. Two 'lines'.

I think it has something to do with an equals sign as well as the two sequences of ten letters, but I can't get my head around it.

I'm considering registering a second copy of the book and working all the questions again. I don't even know if I have all my old notes--might be a good exercise knowing what we know at this point. There have to be some universal clues that point towards a mechanism, then each chapter should contain the necessary clues to figure out that particular chapter's iteration of this mechanism.

There had to be a way to 'know' your solution was correct when you submitted it.

3. Originally Posted by Doc
I haven't worked a lot on the latest cipher--I don't know if it helps or hurts.

I'm still thinking we're looking at a single solution that has a different iteration for each chapter.

Based on one of the recent facebook clues, we're to look at two questions.

As hinted in an earlier chapter, a 'question' is a 'Q'. A 'queue' is a 'line'.

Two 'questions'. Two 'lines'.

I think it has something to do with an equals sign as well as the two sequences of ten letters, but I can't get my head around it.

I'm considering registering a second copy of the book and working all the questions again. I don't even know if I have all my old notes--might be a good exercise knowing what we know at this point. There have to be some universal clues that point towards a mechanism, then each chapter should contain the necessary clues to figure out that particular chapter's iteration of this mechanism.

There had to be a way to 'know' your solution was correct when you submitted it.
I have done my own analysis of how to find the sequences in the chapters. The one commonality seems to be how and where the extraneous text is displayed in the chapters. This provides the seeker with a significant clue.

In Chapter 1, the text was displayed unencrypted from the beginning of the chapter throughout the chapter text. Hence, sequence started at the beginning unencrypted, and the second set was a little later, also unencrypted.

In Chapter 2, the poem text was encrypted with Bacon cipher (AABBA). There were also 2 different stories. The sequence took two different paths just after the poem

In Chapter 3, the poem was encrypted with Caesar cipher, and spread throughout the chapter. The sequence was also spreadout in the chapters and caesar ecrypted.

Understanding this common theme coupled with clues from the chapters and FB should help those seekers of the eagles.

4. Originally Posted by bookworm660
I have done my own analysis of how to find the sequences in the chapters. The one commonality seems to be how and where the extraneous text is displayed in the chapters. This provides the seeker with a significant clue.

In Chapter 1, the text was displayed unencrypted from the beginning of the chapter throughout the chapter text. Hence, sequence started at the beginning unencrypted, and the second set was a little later, also unencrypted.

In Chapter 2, the poem text was encrypted with Bacon cipher (AABBA). There were also 2 different stories. The sequence took two different paths just after the poem

In Chapter 3, the poem was encrypted with Caesar cipher, and spread throughout the chapter. The sequence was also spreadout in the chapters and caesar ecrypted.

Understanding this common theme coupled with clues from the chapters and FB should help those seekers of the eagles.
Like history itself, an understanding of the past definitely helps guide smart decisions in the future, but I think it would be an accurate assessment to say that history rarely repeats itself in exactly the same manner.

5. Originally Posted by Lobster
Like history itself, an understanding of the past definitely helps guide smart decisions in the future, but I think it would be an accurate assessment to say that history rarely repeats itself in exactly the same manner.
Let's see if my theory carries through. In Chapter 4, I theorize that because this cipher is a play on words, the sequence will also be associated likewise. Since the cipher text is at the end of the chapter, the sequence will also be associated at the end of...

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Bookworm,

I really like the idea that the poem is related to the eventual solution.

Just throwing a couple of ideas out there after you made me stop and think about that:

1. The Navajo code appears in question 8, and that particular question begins as 'A-chi', or 'A - X' which put me in mind of first/last stuff going on.

2. Would it be as simple as converting the first line of the chapter, 'My father was a dreamer', into its Navajo equivalent, and using the letters that show up there instead? I don't know where the second set would come from.

7. Apparently Ron wants this chapter to last an entire year.

8. Clue delayed to today it appears. Not sure taking my laptop to the zoo would go over well with the kids though, lol. Hope everyone has a good weekend... the quest continues...

9. First "one" and now the number2. It is just so easy.

10. The waltz is known for its three beat count. As you step, you should be able to count 1-2-3, 1-2-3, etc. Two 3-counts should complete your box.

I'm going to take a "Jacob Waltz" around chapter 4 and see what I can find! LOL!