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    Lobster,

    'American River' was underlined in the questions of the ladies' chapter.

    This wasn't accidental, and it's not relevant to the chapter solution.

    I fully expect the chapter 3 winner to have used facebook clues almost exclusively. That doesn't exclude the possibility of an underlying method--I hope we can piece something together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc View Post
    Lobster,

    'American River' was underlined in the questions of the ladies' chapter.

    This wasn't accidental, and it's not relevant to the chapter solution.
    If that were true, then a new player with only the men's chapter would never see the underlined version, and be at a distinct disadvantage vs someone with both copies.

    Logically speaking then, either Ron's statement that both C2's are not needed going forward is false, or your contention that the underlining is relevant is false (or both).

    Which one is it?

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    While we are on the subject of the two chapters, just a quick question for anyone who has solved the numbers for chapter 13.5. If we are supposedly using the words or letters or whatever from the book as the number count, which version of chapter 2 do we use, or have we discovered there are the same number of words or letters in both versions?

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    Neither version of chapter 2 is needed.

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    Thanks Mac, I appreicate your response.

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    Since Ron is taking his time placing the video of chapter 3 back up, did anyone see or hear the solution?

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    I don't believe anything regarding the solution has been released unless Heather has spoken to someone privately. The last newsletter was in December, and no one appears to have gotten any email with information. The video revealed nothing at all beyond the fact that once again, there was nothing self-confirming in the solution since she had to ask Ron, "Which submission was it? I've made so many."

    The lack of communication/information is getting pretty frustrating. New clues in February - of 2013? Instead of inducing carpal tunnel in every quester due to constant refreshing of FB, why not just mention when the clues will come out and when the C3 solution will be revealed. I find it inconsiderate to a group of people hanging on his every word. I don't find the endless waiting "all part of the fun".

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    Thanks for the information. I did not even know the winner's name was Heather. I suspect the next tidbit of information fed to us will reveal the dates for the chapter 2 and 3 silver eagle events most like coming within the same week in early March. Since there is so much planning for those events, I do not believe we will see any chapter 4 clues until early March.

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    Does seem as if March is more likely at this rate. After all, maybe he really meant March when he said February. March is just February Caesar shifted forward one.

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    Well while we wait, has anyone worked out how these facebook clues logically and accurately fit into C1?

    1. Facebook picture of Alpha = Omega, with Alpha and Omega mirrored / upside down.

    - I don't understand why it was upside down.
    - I don't understand why it was mirrored.
    - I don't understand why you would ever think that Alpha meant "a set of 10 keys" and Omega meant "a set of 10 keys". And, if you did think that, why you would orient them in the same direction since Omega is upside-down from Alpha.

    2. The ghost of cooper past holds your omega key

    - I still don't understand how we were to have known that "key" meant "10 keys", rather than, well, a key. Is there some clue in there that we missed that told us "the word key actually means 10 keys"?

    3. Look for the jeep

    - Jeep was mentioned 4 times, yet only one of them was near a part of the sequence. I guess I could have understood a clue that uniquely pointed you somewhere, but I'm not sure why one would have looked at the first jeep and ignored the rest. Did I miss something?

    4. The sixth number in the sequence is the second number used to open the compartment in National Treasure

    - There were two compartments in the movie, and they led to different numbers. In addition, neither of those numbers could be uniquely positioned elsewhere to help disambiguate. Was there something in this clue that we missed that tells us which one was to be used?

    5. If you’ve reached the starting line you’ve already gone too far

    - I still don't get this one. It doesn't say "Reached the END of the starting line". The first line IS the starting line, and so ATENOCL does not match this clue, as this clue tells us you've already gone far once you start on that "A" (it's the first line -- you've gone too far). The only thing that I can conceivably think that fits is that it means the first vertical line in the book, on page 9... but then, why would you ever think that 2/3rds of the chapter is completely useless and plays no role whatsoever in the solution? And if you do think that's the solution, then it makes you doubt the alpha key being on the first line, because the first line is "too far". This clue's just one big catch-22 in my mind.

    6. The omega key starts before “what you know”

    - Well, the omega key starts on page 7. There is one instance of those words on page 9, but that's AFTER the omega key. Buy why "what you know"? What's special about those words? They're not at the end of the Q, they don't seem to hint at the starting location. I just don't get this clue.

    7. To find your sequence think of a cipher backwards for it is not the words you seek but the letters

    - What is a "CIPHER BACKWARDS"? A=1, B=2, C=3 is known as a "substitution cipher". It's not known as a "backwards" anything. When I hear "cipher backwards", I think of ciphering something and then reversing it. Or, taking reverse ciphertext and then ciphering that. Or, perhaps performing a playfair starting at the last letter, going backwards. This clue alone set me off on the wrong path for months. Can anyone explain the use of the very deliberate use of the adjective "backwards"?

    8. "to find your pleasure in the last cluE
    a simple addition cipher must dO
    the treasure will be found by what was missinG
    not seeing what is there and reminiscinG "

    - I understand this was to clarify the weird addition clue, but why are the last letters capitalized?
    - Last letters imply looking at the last letters of a line? But no?
    - Reminiscing means to "look back". The omega key was found by reading forwards, not backwards. Can anyone explain?
    - What was the purpose of the incredibly obscure line-addition clue? I had thought that something that difficult must be a clue in itself... but I don't think any addition of anything was used here?

    9. To create the cipher we took the clue plus "Five..." To solve the cipher simply "unfive" it

    - Huh? I forget how this one related to anything?

    Thoughts anyone? Am I just too simple minded to get a lot of these clues, or are they as fuzzy and as vague as I thought they were at the time? It just seems to me that for each one of these clues, there were perhaps 5 or 6 possible interpretations, and that in most cases the straightforward interpretations were completely ignored in favor of rather strange interpretations.

    The only thing that I can think of if these clues are to be consistent and make sense is that there had to have been a second solution that we never found.

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