# Thread: CHAPTER 4 - discussion and clues

1. I concur with Morrigan. Total buffoonery on the part of the author. Maybe we should wait until Tuesday to work on Friday's clues.

2. I am most interested to see how they propose we get all letters A to Z mapped (26 of them) to the numbers 1 to 20 without throwing any out (since all are used) and without doubling up any of them or their respective keys. There must be some devious lateral thinking solution to this chapter.

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hey all, Im back after a really long break!

Lobster I don't think all letters are used, I think you are misinterpreting that clue. remember, "21 to 26 still need to go home", meaning throw them out.

4. Originally Posted by guttom2
Lobster I don't think all letters are used, I think you are misinterpreting that clue. remember, "21 to 26 still need to go home", meaning throw them out.
That clue unfortunately depends on the temporal state of a fictitious baseball game (is the game over or not), which makes it indeterminate. Combining it with other clues in an attempt to disambiguate leads me into a set of paradoxes that results in no logical conclusion.

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Originally Posted by Lobster
That clue unfortunately depends on the temporal state of a fictitious baseball game (is the game over or not), which makes it indeterminate. Combining it with other clues in an attempt to disambiguate leads me into a set of paradoxes that results in no logical conclusion.
exactly lol. have any keys been released for Chapter 4 yet?

6. Originally Posted by guttom2
exactly lol. have any keys been released for Chapter 4 yet?
No. Q has been hinted at, but I can still place it in 4 different places based on combinations of clues.

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Originally Posted by guttom2
hey all, Im back after a really long break!

Lobster I don't think all letters are used, I think you are misinterpreting that clue. remember, "21 to 26 still need to go home", meaning throw them out.
Welcome back guttom, It seems to me that if you get to home plate in a baseball game you also might score a run.

8. Originally Posted by dawnplayer8
Welcome back guttom, It seems to me that if you get to home plate in a baseball game you also might score a run.
Yep. As long as the game's not over, in which case they're stranded on base and worthless. Which is why the state of the game is very much important.

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One thing I learned with this book is not to read into the clues so much. I try to think of the simplest, most straightforward answer. With chapter 2 and 3 I came up with so many extremely logical answers (map answers) and was still wrong.

I believe he is just saying not to used the letters U through Z. He had similar clues in other chapters. This conflicts with the "You will need to use every letter to solve this one." clue, but only if you interpret "every" as referring to every letter of the alphabet. I believe it has a different meaning.

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## the first KEY

I have my theories, but I hope Ron releases the first key (or any key for that matter). I have too many possible starting points. a key would at least give some direction to our search