# Thread: CHAPTER 4 - discussion and clues

1. Lobster, you make a valid point. I am assuming that the clues are saying every one/letter counts when finding the markers. And if you are using a skip cipher, then you must count/use every letter to find the markers. After the markers are found they must be subjected to a "made up" code by the father.
It is a huge web of confusing interpretations.

2. Originally Posted by Rx Jeff
Lobster, you make a valid point. I am assuming that the clues are saying every one/letter counts when finding the markers. And if you are using a skip cipher, then you must count/use every letter to find the markers. After the markers are found they must be subjected to a &quot;made up&quot; code by the father.
Yep, who knows. I decided a few weeks ago to largely ignore the FB clues when it comes to cipher... so I've got a favorite cipher based on my reading of clues in the chapter and C4's relationships, but the FB clues certainly don't support it (or any other substitution cipher for that matter).

I do hope some of the things I have found in the chapter itself are real though and intended, because some of them are pretty cool.

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It is impossible to use all the letters since we still only need 20 of them. Doesn't matter what cipher we use there will always be 6 left over.

I think he simply means we are to use letters that are beyond the letter T. Which means a cipher must be used.

4. Rejections out. Mine went up to November 24th. Someone must be close.

5. Originally Posted by guttom2
It is impossible to use all the letters since we still only need 20 of them. Doesn't matter what cipher we use there will always be 6 left over.

I think he simply means we are to use letters that are beyond the letter T. Which means a cipher must be used.
Given the history of some of the more head scratching C1 and C2 clues, that thought did cross my mind.

6. Originally Posted by Rx Jeff
Rejections out. Mine went up to November 24th. Someone must be close.
My favorite solution was on the 25th so there's still hope, lol. As teeny weeny as that hope may be...

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Happy Early Thanksgiving from the Emerald City of Seattle!

I brought some friends for some holiday treats before going to Sin City (Las Vegas) for Thanksgiving itself.

I'm following along on the periphery awaiting Chapter 4's solution to see if we can make heads or tails of the first third of the book's answers.

Just some outside thoughts:

1. The clues about 'first ten', 'second ten', and 'last six' together with the clue about 'The quick brown fox....' make me think you're developing a complete A to Z alphabet.
2. There was a clue about the last two went on a treasure hunt of their own. That might be why he gave you the 18th letter of the sequence and gave you three letters to choose from: he may be giving you the last three letters in no particular order.

I'm still holding out hope there's an overall method to the madness.

If you get serious about wanting to try to solve everything, it's going to involve some active, public discussion about a lot of clues that haven't really been discussed such as the invisible ink clues and the hidden messages from Joy. I'm worried that waning interest may kill the hunt. Each participant will have to decide if it's more important to keep their clues and ideas private and possibly let the hunt expire, or publicly discuss everything to generate interest in the hunt but possibly lose whatever 'advantage' you perceive you have.

I dunno. You know me--I tend to discuss everything, but that's just my personal preference. I don't mind being wrong a lot--I prefer the back-and-forth ideas and suggestions.

Good luck with Chapter 4! I hope it falls really soon...

Sleepless in Seattle,

Doc

8. Always great to hear from you Doc. You too have a Happy Thanksgiving and enjoy your coffee infused turkey in Seattle!

9. Just, just, judge and jump all found in clues. Hmmm

10. I want to wish all of my American friends a safe and Happy Thanksgiving.
On another note, if Mr. Shore monitors this site, and I believe he does, interest in this hunt and particularly this chapter is almost nill. Did you really want every chapter to take a year to solve? What particularly bothers menthe most were your insulting clues on how easy it is to solve this chapter.