Thread: CHAPTER 4 - discussion and clues

1. If there are multiple solutions, then I call Shenanigans.

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Originally Posted by Rx Jeff
If there are multiple solutions, then I call Shenanigans.
the chapter 3 solution is now on FB. The sequence to Chapter 3 is:

16,5,17,15,10,20,6,4,18,13

1,12,11,3,2,9,8,7,19,14

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I was so close...My logic was right on with the exception of the final 4...removed and put at the end...SOB The good news is that my logic is valid...Lets go chapter 4! We have found a correlation between all 3 chapters as this point: the poem(the method of encoding it), and a couple of other things that I still am not going to divulge as of yet. To those who think all of the solutions are completely random, there is a couple of underlying themes and methods that now link 3 different chapters. Now it is just a race to find the same sort of correlation in the chapters that follow. So far, I have been correct for at least 10 numbers in both chapter 1 and chapter 3 (I refused to do chapter 2 but can see how my reasoning would apply there as well and am confident I probably would have been able to find the first half there as well).

4. Some ofthose who think it's random did that well or better on ALL 3 chapters just fromthe FB clues. Including the winnersthemselves. Just sayin', even if "there is a couple of underlying themes" it hasn'thelped yet.

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Originally Posted by Gammon
Does seem as if March is more likely at this rate. After all, maybe he really meant March when he said February. March is just February Caesar shifted forward one.
can you explain that? I don't know if you're joking or if I'm just not getting it.

6. Congrats to Heather, but without facebook clues, how would you know that the final 10 keys came from the end of the chapter and then find the missing 4?
It could have been so much better than this. No reason to even begin on the next chapter.

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Ok Morrigan, you win...I am obviously no smarter than a piece of toast...I'm done posting. Enjoy guys!

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9. Apparently not. Ron has said it's just a formatting error.

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Originally Posted by Lobster
Well while we wait, has anyone worked out how these facebook clues logically and accurately fit into C1?

1. Facebook picture of Alpha = Omega, with Alpha and Omega mirrored / upside down.

- I don't understand why it was upside down.
- I don't understand why it was mirrored.
- I don't understand why you would ever think that Alpha meant "a set of 10 keys" and Omega meant "a set of 10 keys". And, if you did think that, why you would orient them in the same direction since Omega is upside-down from Alpha.

2. The ghost of cooper past holds your omega key

- I still don't understand how we were to have known that "key" meant "10 keys", rather than, well, a key. Is there some clue in there that we missed that told us "the word key actually means 10 keys"?

3. Look for the jeep

- Jeep was mentioned 4 times, yet only one of them was near a part of the sequence. I guess I could have understood a clue that uniquely pointed you somewhere, but I'm not sure why one would have looked at the first jeep and ignored the rest. Did I miss something?

4. The sixth number in the sequence is the second number used to open the compartment in National Treasure

- There were two compartments in the movie, and they led to different numbers. In addition, neither of those numbers could be uniquely positioned elsewhere to help disambiguate. Was there something in this clue that we missed that tells us which one was to be used?

5. If you’ve reached the starting line you’ve already gone too far

- I still don't get this one. It doesn't say "Reached the END of the starting line". The first line IS the starting line, and so ATENOCL does not match this clue, as this clue tells us you've already gone far once you start on that "A" (it's the first line -- you've gone too far). The only thing that I can conceivably think that fits is that it means the first vertical line in the book, on page 9... but then, why would you ever think that 2/3rds of the chapter is completely useless and plays no role whatsoever in the solution? And if you do think that's the solution, then it makes you doubt the alpha key being on the first line, because the first line is "too far". This clue's just one big catch-22 in my mind.

6. The omega key starts before “what you know”

- Well, the omega key starts on page 7. There is one instance of those words on page 9, but that's AFTER the omega key. Buy why "what you know"? What's special about those words? They're not at the end of the Q, they don't seem to hint at the starting location. I just don't get this clue.

7. To find your sequence think of a cipher backwards for it is not the words you seek but the letters

- What is a "CIPHER BACKWARDS"? A=1, B=2, C=3 is known as a "substitution cipher". It's not known as a "backwards" anything. When I hear "cipher backwards", I think of ciphering something and then reversing it. Or, taking reverse ciphertext and then ciphering that. Or, perhaps performing a playfair starting at the last letter, going backwards. This clue alone set me off on the wrong path for months. Can anyone explain the use of the very deliberate use of the adjective "backwards"?

8. "to find your pleasure in the last cluE
a simple addition cipher must dO
the treasure will be found by what was missinG
not seeing what is there and reminiscinG "

- I understand this was to clarify the weird addition clue, but why are the last letters capitalized?
- Last letters imply looking at the last letters of a line? But no?
- Reminiscing means to "look back". The omega key was found by reading forwards, not backwards. Can anyone explain?
- What was the purpose of the incredibly obscure line-addition clue? I had thought that something that difficult must be a clue in itself... but I don't think any addition of anything was used here?

9. To create the cipher we took the clue plus "Five..." To solve the cipher simply "unfive" it

- Huh? I forget how this one related to anything?

Thoughts anyone? Am I just too simple minded to get a lot of these clues, or are they as fuzzy and as vague as I thought they were at the time? It just seems to me that for each one of these clues, there were perhaps 5 or 6 possible interpretations, and that in most cases the straightforward interpretations were completely ignored in favor of rather strange interpretations.

The only thing that I can think of if these clues are to be consistent and make sense is that there had to have been a second solution that we never found.

Lobster,
I am with you about these. We are in the same boat, or rather the same pot?
I went off on tangents of some of these and they actually interferred with my solving the chapter as I then found myself ignoring some real clues.
Lauren