# Thread: Chapter 5: Clues and Discussion

1. Originally Posted by gizmo2337
No, the first part is straight forward. A pound of feathers weighs more than a pound of gold. 16>12 P>L. You have to do less to start...
The second part is not straightforward. Do you keep doing what you were doing and pour more gold on, or do you pour feathers on since they weigh more? That is the dilemma.
My dilemma is whether to keep trying to win C5 or not, lol... I am SOOOO close on C12 now, as my C5 solution is opening up new information required for C12. As much as winning C5 would be awesome, winning C12 would be even better

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Originally Posted by Lobster
My dilemma is whether to keep trying to win C5 or not, lol... I am SOOOO close on C12 now, as my C5 solution is opening up new information required for C12. As much as winning C5 would be awesome, winning C12 would be even better
Normally I'd have said that's probably not possible, but perhaps it is. What do you think the (cipher) method is for C12? A link to C5 or Chrétien de Troyes means something to you?

3. Originally Posted by gizmo2337
Normally I'd have said that's probably not possible, but perhaps it is. What do you think the (cipher) method is for C12? A link to C5 or Chrétien de Troyes means something to you?
I just hadn't seen a C12 clue since C3, so it was nice to see another one help with the finish.

If I did manage to finish C12 off, and if I'm not completely out of my mind (two very big ifs), your eyes would fall out of your head in amazement at what the solution is.

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Chapter 5 clue: If east is least and west is best keep this in mind when tracking the sun as it sets on the prize.

For me, confirms last weeks clue again...and confirms your alpha, if you know what you are looking for. I believe the clue is used in 4 ways actually...and all have to fit.

5. Originally Posted by gizmo2337
Chapter 5 clue: If east is least and west is best keep this in mind when tracking the sun as it sets on the prize.

For me, confirms last weeks clue again...and confirms your alpha, if you know what you are looking for. I believe the clue is used in 4 ways actually...and all have to fit.
Still don't know why west is "best", but I think I see what this clue is trying to say. It's pretty clever

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Originally Posted by Lobster
Still don't know why west is "best", but I think I see what this clue is trying to say. It's pretty clever
I was trying to bite my tongue, but you got me. RedHrng=NotAFish now hooked
a) The best kind of Gold is 24kt = X. The least is 10kt = X. (Doc...I hope you are listening...cause it's not BS this time)
b) Where did the filthy thirteen go to... War B? West IndianapolIs?

This clue isn't done until you use it multiple more times. I thought these were more or less the obvious.

7. Originally Posted by gizmo2337
I was trying to bite my tongue, but you got me. RedHrng=NotAFish now hooked
a) The best kind of Gold is 24kt = X. The least is 10kt = X. (Doc...I hope you are listening...cause it's not BS this time)
b) Where did the filthy thirteen go to... War B? West IndianapolIs?

This clue isn't done until you use it multiple more times. I thought these were more or less the obvious.
Time to start looking at chapter 6 too. I think there's almost enough information now to take a crack at that one

C6 is a lot more interesting than prior chapters, if I'm correct.

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Ok, well here's a good question. If you were attempting C5 with no clues, and only the book, where would you find the number 25? Is is I=eYe? the chapter number from the question I, 5=y(25)? The tiny 5x5=25 book from C4? With that in mind, how would you figure C6?

9. Originally Posted by gizmo2337
Ok, well here's a good question. If you were attempting C5 with no clues, and only the book, where would you find the number 25? Is is I=eYe? the chapter number from the question I, 5=y(25)? The tiny 5x5=25 book from C4? With that in mind, how would you figure C6?
The cynic in me would say that chapters 1 through 4 teach us that to solve a chapter, you might as well ignore everything in the book, do nothing at all, and just wait for facebook clues to get specific enough to entirely bypass the intended solutions and create new, easier solutions. Sadly that's sort of what has happened.

I can see what we're SUPPOSED to do though.

We're supposed to:

1. Cross-reference C6's relationships (locations,ciphers,history,poem,intro,etc) with everything even remotely related to the treasure hunt.

2. Unforeseen by the designers, but unfortunately a fact of life: Realize that 90% of what you find will be unintentional and coincidental, since the human mind is very clever at forming unintended relationships. You can strengthen this quite a bit by just using relationships that have multiple bits of evidence supporting them. But, a lot of what you find will be plain wrong.

3. Realize that of the remaining 10%, approximately 9% of that is intentional misdirection by the authors, encoded in the book via a set of weird somewhat inconsistent quasi-rational herring-relationships.

The herrings, as ridiculously overwhelming in number as they may be, aren't entirely useless though... herrings tend to cluster in areas close to the real solution... so, by finding a cluster of herrings you can actually gain some confidence that you are in the right neighborhood.

Four years in though, and I still can't work out a bunch of very common recurring symbols/relationships due to their ambiguous circular definitions (geese, ducks, coughing, explosions, iron, laughter, forehead wiping, red things, etc). And, trying to work out how many pieces and what size the pieces are of any future chapter is almost impossible, particularly with the threat of "random tacked on letters" at the end of any sequence.

Of course I've never won anything, so don't listen to me!

10. I have enjoyed your rantings back and forth about the hunt. Logic would dictate that if someone writes a story, it would be difficult for another person to form a puzzle with internal mechanisms for solving said puzzle.
Clues keep the timing of the puzzles completely in control of the author.
After reading some of the comments on this site, Ron Shore was said to have commented that people on here were "delusional." I am assuming that came from people reading more into it than they should and to keep a simpler approach.
If nobody has solved this before summer break, it would not surprise me at all.