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    Quote Originally Posted by Rx Jeff View Post
    I think Dawnplayer thought last week's clue was the last one before break.
    Yes, I didn't read the text close enough 2 weeks ago. Of course it would have been much clearer if he had said something like "the last clue before the summer break will be out on June 10".

    So what is this "a little bit of extra research" we are supposed to do? Has anyone checked the invisible ink today? I worked on it for almost an hour today and then I colored outside the lines, and it shut down on me. This is definitely not a treasure hunt for anyone with any physical challenges.

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    Nothing on invisible ink. Since it glitched on a Joy clue on chapter 4, I doubt he will use it again.
    Extra research may just mean to finish the sentence he wrote in quotes. Another clue from chapter 4:
    The dichotomy of solving this chapter is found by looking at both questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rx Jeff View Post
    Nothing on invisible ink. Since it glitched on a Joy clue on chapter 4, I doubt he will use it again.
    Extra research may just mean to finish the sentence he wrote in quotes. Another clue from chapter 4:
    The dichotomy of solving this chapter is found by looking at both questions.
    Riddles me this, riddle me that. Both questions.

    I've mostly been operating on the assumption that C5's solution is somewhere other than in the questions like in C4. A part of me truly wanted to believe that the hunt creators weren't so mind-numbingly uncreative that they'd use the same thing two chapters in a row.

    However, it's getting more difficult to ignore these facebook clues which keep bludgeoning us over the head with this concept of TWO QUESTIONS.

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    Codes codes everywhere. On this one if you don’t see a code you are definitely lost.
    You would be completely lost if you tried to make the solution from the questions again. I believe there are two questions that are markers to where in the story we will find the sequences. We supposedly also have all we need to solve this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rx Jeff View Post
    Codes codes everywhere. On this one if you don’t see a code you are definitely lost.
    You would be completely lost if you tried to make the solution from the questions again. I believe there are two questions that are markers to where in the story we will find the sequences. We supposedly also have all we need to solve this one.
    I hope that's the case, in which case I'm not totally lost.

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    In chapter 4, the two questions used were Q14 and Q8. The answer to Q8 directly referenced omega (the second half) "ditat deus". The USS Minnesota BB-22 clue pointed to Q16 where Alexander the great was 22 years old. The sum of alpha and omega was 22. The filthy 13 question C4Q13 used the word "stone" twice, so perhaps we were supposed to look for "stone" in Q14 and derive Q14 as the start?

    I don't think C5 is in the questions, but perhaps we are supposed to do something similar and figure out the start from the questions using the dichotomy.

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    The Filthy Thirteen was the name given to the 1st Demolition Section of the Regimental Headquarters Company of the 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne Division,
    How are they to help us in solving chapter 5? Pointing to a WWII question? 13=M=the first key? Page 101 is the first page to search? Alpha, the first section, is found on page 101?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gizmo2337 View Post

    I don't think C5 is in the questions, but perhaps we are supposed to do something similar and figure out the start from the questions using the dichotomy.
    I think that we will use the questions again for Chapter 5 but it just fits into my personal thoughts on the underlying method of solving each chapter, and no I do not have a silver eagle on my fireplace mantle.

    I really enjoy Chapter 5 because of all the cool stuff, for example the tap code using a 5x5 grid, the hospitalization dates, and everything pointing to 2 of something from two memorials, to two answers to Q5, to Q16 being a two part question with one answer, to 1922(yes "22" again) mentioned in Q20(then it says "after more than ten years" similar to a FB clue), and even 2's being at the center of both Sudoku puzzles. It seems like out of all the chapters this one might have the most embedded clues in it.

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    I do not have a silver eagle on my fireplace mantle.
    And if you solve chapter 5, you still won't get one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rx Jeff View Post
    The Filthy Thirteen was the name given to the 1st Demolition Section of the Regimental Headquarters Company of the 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne Division,
    How are they to help us in solving chapter 5? Pointing to a WWII question? 13=M=the first key? Page 101 is the first page to search? Alpha, the first section, is found on page 101?
    There are a gazillion references to different pages & questions in the clues given. The problem with every single clue is that you can never be sure if a page or question reference is a reference to a (a) a hint or a clue, or (b) a key location. I tend to think that most of the FB clues are indirect references to places where you're supposed to find clues. Of course, in nearly every case the "clue" being referenced is just as vague as the clue referencing the clue reference.

    For example, suppose a hint is that "alpha is up". That might mean something to a clue giver who knows the solution. But to someone who doesn't know the answer it could mean:

    - Alpha is up at the very start of the chapter. The first word.
    - Alpha is read upwards.
    - Alpha is found UP on the current page.
    - Alpha is found DOWN on the current page (since it is read up)
    - Alpha is found UP on some other page.
    - Alpha is found near the word "UP" on this page.
    - Alpha is found near the word "UP" on another page.
    - Alpha is found UP from the word "found"
    - Alpha is read UP from the word "found"
    - Alpha is found by the word "RED"
    - Alpha is found upwards, to the nearest instance of the word "READ"
    - Alpha is found upwards, to the nearest instance of the word "RED"
    etc etc etc etc.

    Four words, 50 interpretations.

    So what you end up getting is a clue that has no meaning because it has so many interpretations.

    A useful hint is self-validating. That is, it provides context within the clue itself which validates that the interpretation you are considering is the correct interpretation. OR, it contains an obvious reference to another clue which reinforces/validates the interpretation.

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