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    Mills, that is some great input. I too believe the social media aspect of the hunt needs to be exploited. Perhaps we can all co-ordinate some idea(s) for the coming season. Breast Cancer awareness month is October, so that would be the best time to launch a campaign. I wouldn't be disappointed at all if there is no September clues. Ron needs the social media support and ultimately a golden eagle buyer. I can think of a few ways this could be done, but haven't sorted out all the fine details.

    I think if you go read my most recent comments in the other thread, that indeed some aspects can be figured out without facebook clues. I'm kicking myself in the face now, because I had figured out the C4Q3, C6Q12 tap code connection on week two of the clues!! It's even hinted at in the optic cross.

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    Gotta side with Mills and Morrigan on this one - this hunt, and particularly this chapter, have sucked out all the enthusiasm I had for continuing to invest time and energy in hopes of landing an eagle for myself. I was so confident in some of my submissions for this chapter, but was working entirely within the chapter for solutions as I could not fathom another solve so similar to previous chapter(s). Once a solution is published, one can go back and point to any number of "clues" that fit the solution, but those are likely more coincidental than designed. Perhaps Ron & Team can shake things up a bit to stir up some more support and renewed interest in this hunt, because the same ol' same ol' just ain't gonna cut it. Depends on how much of the hunt has been predetermined and whether a change of course at this stage in the game is possible. I wonder how many possible solutions there are if you just limit yourself to looking at the chapter questions........

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    I'm struggling with deciding to continue this hunt based on everything I've been reading about the solutions being unlocked from clues found outside of the book that are submitted in an "as you go" fashion. I understand why this would be done, but I'm disappointed as it takes some of the 'wonder' out of the hunt a whole (in my opinion of course). I still find the hunt fun/intriguing but I have trouble getting motivated over something that requires me to actually pay attention to social media for

    I can definitely see how others think there can be a solution found just from the book/tools given to us on the website (I'm hopeful that it can be done without the Facebook handouts), but also see how Ron would want to elongate things according to the availability of his resources.

    There hasn't been a released solution to Chapter 5 yet, has there? I've been checking Facebook but haven't seen it on the "Solutions" section yet. I would think it could have easily been posted by now.

    I'll just have another glass of wine and have more of a think about it, I guess (lol).

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    The solution is out. It was released on facebook here: Chapter 5 - Chris Cunningham and the solution

    I'm still one of the believers that a solution can be found without more clues, at least for CH6. Who knows though?

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    Right there with you. Ron thought it could be solved in 3-4 years and I'm guessing he didn't think he'd have to put clues out for each chapter, but who knows besides the man himself! Hope your CH6 sequencing goes well. I'll be trying as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by DLester View Post
    Gotta side with Mills and Morrigan on this one - this hunt, and particularly this chapter, have sucked out all the enthusiasm I had for continuing to invest time and energy in hopes of landing an eagle for myself. I was so confident in some of my submissions for this chapter, but was working entirely within the chapter for solutions as I could not fathom another solve so similar to previous chapter(s). Once a solution is published, one can go back and point to any number of "clues" that fit the solution, but those are likely more coincidental than designed. Perhaps Ron & Team can shake things up a bit to stir up some more support and renewed interest in this hunt, because the same ol' same ol' just ain't gonna cut it. Depends on how much of the hunt has been predetermined and whether a change of course at this stage in the game is possible. I wonder how many possible solutions there are if you just limit yourself to looking at the chapter questions........
    The disappointing thing for me is that there is just SO much opportunity for clever, innovative clues that has been ignored. The whole "facebook clue" thing to date has unfortunately just not been very creative nor interesting. There's nothing there really to solve because they're so often just vague word-plays with tons of interpretations that don't lend themselves to any deduction.

    Every single facebook clue comes across as separate and stand-alone from anything in the book. If there ARE real solutions and clues in the actual book (and I think there are), then the "facebook clues" have provided nearly nothing usable in 3 years to support those solutions or bring them to light. And if they have been attempting to do so, they have been far too subtle to be helpful.

    If I were the author, I'd be a little embarrassed if I were to look at the "solutions" offered up by the winners of chapter 1 through 5. I think the only in-book item that has ever been suggested by a winner is the "7" stick in chapter 1 by Roger which tied back to an email clue ("holds omega"). Apart from that, 100% of the "logic" provided by the winners has been from a small number of facebook clues (and even then most of the winners can't explain half the FB clues from their own chapter win).

    *** The winners of the first 5 chapters didn't need a single bit of information from the book to win! That's incredible if you think about it. Never before have I heard of a treasure hunt where no observations about the content of the hunt are necessary to win! All you needed to win chapter 5 was a photocopy of pages 102&103 and a web browser to read facebook!***

    Let's take the +5/-5 ceasar in C5 for example. Where, ANYWHERE, is this cipher method hinted at in the book and associated resources? And where, ANYWHERE, in the C5 facebook clues is there CLEAR assistance in finding these originally-in-the-book clues? Nowhere it seems to me. The whole +5/-5 thing came down to pretty much one facebook clue saying "USE +5 -5" and another saying "WRAP LETTERS IN THIS SITUATION, BUT NOT THIS OTHER ONE". It's all so disconnnected from the actual book. The facebook clues didn't help players find the solution, they invented the solution. It's no wonder that the vast majority at this point believes there are no solutions in the book at all... the hunt has done nothing at all to support such a case.

    It doesn't have to be this way (if there are actual solutions in the book). It's possible to give clues that are interesting and lend themselves to relational clue-giving.

    For example, the new Kevin Peter's clue is clever and creative. That's what this hunt needs more of. Out of the box thinking.

    Personally, I see enough relationships in this book that I believe that there ARE clues in the book. Lots of them. Tons of them. But, they are incredibly vague. They need some real substantial assistance to be made usable. But, the facebook clues do nothing but undermine them.

    This hunt needs to start respecting its own solutions.

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    I've been looking over the chapter solutions and many clues again. I too am bothered that some clues can't be explained, even after the solution is revealed. I think some of the clues are pointing at the real clues in the book that we were supposed to get. Before I give an example, I'm of the mindset that the following are how we get started for each chapter: the optic cross, the cryptex question, the encrypted questions, the archives, invisible ink, along with the first two questions about the poem.

    For chapter 1 optic cross: 1.What doesn't belong? 2.Look for the jeep.
    In the C1 questions, C1Q4 and C1Q7 pose the same questions, and both are encrypted. What does it mean though, and how do we use 7,4? Might it relate to C1Q9 - In 1974 what Washington city was the smallest city to host a world fair? Or should we use the C1Q19? Agreed, much confusion about what to do. However, if we look at the pages implied, page 4 and page 7, you realize one must be right, so what doesn't belong? Well, on page 4, we get "lucky" twice. Page 7 is a run on paragraph, so I could see how we could maybe figure that out. If you go read page 19, then at the bottom it talks about the old man's cane as in the picture on the first page. Is any of this obvious? No! It went years without a solve, even with extra clues.

    I think the cryptex was supposed to help with the Jeep. Two days before chrismas in 1943... Two days before Xmas is Dec 23. On page 23, we find the Jeep. The beginning is equal to the end. To get started, start at the beginning. The answer to the cryptex can be found in the archives in January. Perhaps that was a clue to start at the beginning as well. In any event, I'll agree that the meaning isn't very easy to understand until after the fact....and even then might be a bit of a stretch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gizmo2337 View Post
    I've been looking over the chapter solutions and many clues again. I too am bothered that some clues can't be explained, even after the solution is revealed. I think some of the clues are pointing at the real clues in the book that we were supposed to get.
    Yes, I think that's the case too. The fact though that not a single winner has identified a single thing that is not a facebook clue to back up their answer is evidence enough that those "facebook clues pointing to original book clues" simply aren't clear enough to be useful.

    I just want to see someone win a chapter using SOMETHING other than 100% facebook clues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobster View Post
    I just want to see someone win a chapter using SOMETHING other than 100% facebook clues.
    I haven't seen a good explanation for the Kryptos clue in chapter 4 yet. I suppose if you look for a partner in the chapter intro on the website you find Watlz Walz, Weiser or Weiss.

    I'd like to suggest that it was just pointing us to use the "Cryptex" rather than Kryptos. London Bridge (L+B=14). Weaver's Needle. It's central to the story, and it's one of the few examples where I can think of a clue coming from the book, that may have also been hinted at by a facebook clue.

    There is still one problem with this sort of thinking though. Do you add or subtract? And when you get a number, is it the decrypted key, the encrypted letter in the chapter, the cipher, or question to use?

    I believe the answer to such a question lies in the following clue:
    If you feel you know what the answer is then try not to scoff,
    Some clues, you say, seem not to fit,
    Remember, a few chosen clues are meant to throw you off,
    So disregard one or two to get the start lit,
    Then try your best to make the answer fit.
    I have yet to see anyone's explanation. I have theories, but nothing completely solid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gizmo2337 View Post
    I haven't seen a good explanation for the Kryptos clue in chapter 4 yet.
    My guess is that the question mark in the 4-26-13 clue was supposed to lead you to the chapter questions. Then the next clue on 5-10-13, stated "a clue is hidden within a line of Kryptos", to confirm it.

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