# Thread: Chapter 5: Clues and Discussion

1. Originally Posted by gizmo2337
The only way I see it working is Q14 or Q6. Q14, going backwards from the answer back into the question. Q6, going backwards on the question to find two that went on their own hunt, leaving only one option missing? Why backwards though? This one is backwards in its own way? I'd go with Q6 with the two "1"'s in the question, meaning 11=K and the last letter from Q8.
The final 3 don't fit a third question. You can check this by looking for any instance where a Q appears before R and P in all 20 questions. There are none.

So if there is a non-random ordering for the last 3, it is (a) a different method used than any other "leftovers", (b) not consistent with the method of the first 2 parts.

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It's the 'middle key'.

The first trick is to figure out the relationship of the leftover letters. The relationship of the PQR is found in their ciphertext equivalents from that weird chapter solution cipher: P Q R = J K L.

The leftover letters in each chapter have some sort of connection to a 'middle key'.

3. Originally Posted by Doc
It's the 'middle key'.

The first trick is to figure out the relationship of the leftover letters. The relationship of the PQR is found in their ciphertext equivalents from that weird chapter solution cipher: P Q R = J K L.

The leftover letters in each chapter have some sort of connection to a 'middle key'.
Can't say that makes any sense to me, but let's assume I'm the idiot for not understanding. How does that explain the ORDER Q-R-P?

4. Originally Posted by Lobster
Can't say that makes any sense to me, but let's assume I'm the idiot for not understanding. How does that explain the ORDER Q-R-P?
These 2 FB Clues (CH4)
Nov 15, 2011… The 18th number for the sequence you seek is either a 6, 11 or 17.
May 30th, 2014.... When the leftovers are found, there’s only two ways to order them, try them both, and your answer might be found.

5. Originally Posted by bookworm660
These 2 FB Clues (CH4)
Nov 15, 2011… The 18th number for the sequence you seek is either a 6, 11 or 17.
May 30th, 2014.... When the leftovers are found, there’s only two ways to order them, try them both, and your answer might be found.

I was wondering what in the BOOK leads to the leftover answer though...

6. The book is the map. The clues are the directions. You need both to solve the puzzles.

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Originally Posted by Lobster
The final 3 don't fit a third question. You can check this by looking for any instance where a Q appears before R and P in all 20 questions. There are none.

So if there is a non-random ordering for the last 3, it is (a) a different method used than any other "leftovers", (b) not consistent with the method of the first 2 parts.
Check Q6 again. Go from end to begining (ie backwards), using the encrypted question. (not the decrypted version)

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Doc,
I need some help with this one.

A chapter question: on the first step of the unfinished pyramid on the back of the american dollar bill what year do the Roman numerals signify?
A clue: the 4 most helpful numbers in solving this chapter add up to this total.

XXV
Re-arrange to get beginning = end, and I get
IX V X I = the total from the clue. The beginning = the end.

Not sure there is something to this, but I'm sure you'll have the answer if you see what I mean.

9. I miss that girl who used to post stuff on facebook... Natalie was it? Are you all enjoying the hunt? Wouldn't a video clue on youtube would be cool?

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I've been trying to picture how the final hunt goes down in this chapter. Quester gets to clean out the trash of someone's attic? Pirate ship cruise into a hurricane with lots of rum?

Ok, on topic. For the Sudoku, do we use the printed numbers in the book, or the blanks that we fill in? You can do it both ways, and I'm not sure what "empty" means. Of course, it could mean totally blank as well.