# Thread: Chapter 5: Clues and Discussion

1. Originally Posted by mills
I miss that girl who used to post stuff on facebook... Natalie was it? Are you all enjoying the hunt? Wouldn't a video clue on youtube would be cool?
It's a good puzzle. There's way, way, way, way more going on than almost anyone at all realizes. Hundreds upon hundreds of clues and hints and easter eggs. It's just exceptionally difficult.

I think I'm getting closer on C5 with every passing week though. Pretty sure I had the basic elements of the solution solved months before the first FB clue, but a few important details have required some FBook help.

It's certainly possible I've solved nothing though and am simply losing my mind.

2. Originally Posted by gizmo2337
Ok, on topic. For the Sudoku, do we use the printed numbers in the book, or the blanks that we fill in? You can do it both ways, and I'm not sure what "empty" means. Of course, it could mean totally blank as well.
I used the printed numbers in the book.

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It's so quiet in here, you can hear a pin drop. To be honest, compared to chapter 4, these clues seem easier. I wouldn't be surprised if someone has the first half right by the end of the holiday.

With that in mind, have a happy and safe holiday!

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`ITNOJAAHSSQAKJMBITIESQJIIHRUUHCTCYHYJERDDRUYEJRMUAAREEKYVEWAOEHTNUDYOQPYIPEIAPUHOBAHED`

4. The most recent clue is also very important for a future chapter. That's my Christmas gift for you all

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The odds of guessing the solution are precisely 1 in 2,432,902,008,176,640,000 ...that is, 1 in 2.4 quintillion. Waiting for the confirmation E-mail, not the rejection, this time. Curious what the robot puts out if you are correct?
Hope everyone had a happy new year

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I can't believe I got a rejection on my last answer...I thought it was perfect. It was so fitting, I stopped submitting, because there was nothing else to do? Oh well, I guess I've been fooled once again.
I figured when you have at least 3 explanations for every clue converging on the same thing...it had to be correct. Apparently not...

Somewhere, we have been fooled. The goddess digits and the numbers total, the sudoku, or the chapter number?

7. Originally Posted by gizmo2337
I can't believe I got a rejection on my last answer...I thought it was perfect. It was so fitting, I stopped submitting, because there was nothing else to do? Oh well, I guess I've been fooled once again.
I figured when you have at least 3 explanations for every clue converging on the same thing...it had to be correct. Apparently not...

Somewhere, we have been fooled. The goddess digits and the numbers total, the sudoku, or the chapter number?
Cipher is the problem with this one.

There are near infinite ways to make things "less". I think I've narrowed the precise cipher down to a handful of possibilities, but, that's still a lot of sequences to guess.

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We've got work to do. This puzzle, once understood, is amazing.

Each facebook clue has three answers. Let me show you concrete examples with something old and something current.

We've had the answers, we just didn't know there are supposed to be three of them and that they were supposed to snap together.

1. The first clue from Chapter 3: 'Always a "Secantroam".'

First answer: Anagram for 'Sacramento'. Was implying 'capital letters' because the letters of the word are literally the letters of the capitol of California.

Second answer: Anagram for 'scent' and 'aroma'. The implication was 'first = last'.

What we were supposed to realize at this point was 'sacramento was 'one word', and scent/aroma were 'two words'.

The last answer has to be 'three words', and it has to be equivalent to the first two answers. For this part, the 'three words' isn't a quantity; it's being used as 'words that mean 'three''.

We realized it ages ago, but didn't understand it belonged with this triplet clue. Capital letters, first = last, and 'three' words.

It's referring to 'Charlie' and 'sea', the first and last words of the chapter. They're both 'three' words because they both are equivalent to the 'C'.

What we were supposed to do at that point was realize that 'Charlie' and 'sea' refer to TUNA, which many of us saw and chuckled about, without realizing the next step was to anagram it to AUNT.

When you divide AUNT into AU and NT, you might realize that the 'Au' is the chemical symbol for GOLD--opposite silver--and NT is an opposite TEN with its middle missing.

In other words, the '3 words' which are now 'charlie', 'sea', and 'tuna' are OPPOSITES. Opposite 3. Hindsight tell us the alphabet key for chapter 3 was C = Z, or a Caesar shift of -3.

This was NOT how we were supposed to solve the chapter, but a demonstration of how these facebook clues function.

2. Chapter 5 clue: If you are looking for a "tap" to help you solve this chapter, look on the other side.

a. 'The other side' is referring to the OPPOSITE side. If you read my musings in a different topic, you'll understand that 'opposite' = KEY. That's the first answer.

b. The opposite of 'TAP' is PAT. It's a reference to a Saturday Night Live character who is both MALE and FEMALE.

c. The opposide of a right triangle is the HYPOTENEUSE. If you know your pythagorean formula, you know that a2 + b2 = c2, and that the hypoteneuse is the 'C2'.

Now, you put the three answers together to make your metapuzzle: C2 male/female key. It's a reference to the chapter 2 solution. The male/female key was the missing letters at the end, the jack and the queen, and they are a 'missing X key'.

The 'X' on the treasure chest on the artwork of chapter 5 isn't for decoration.

Or, so I'm thinking,

Doc

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'Closer to the end of the chapter, you will have to decipher this one to make it work.'

Any ideas?

10. If you are smart, you will wait until after he breaks for summer before you try to solve it. Might be enough clues by then.