# Thread: Reverse Engineering the Solution

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Originally Posted by gizmo2337

For chapter 5:
The word "digit" comes from fingers (or toes) of the limb. The digits of the goddess of liberty add up to this total. Also...without facebook clues...Q17: find the correct four digit code. The last two digits of that code are 15.
Yes, but the 4 digits of the Goddess of Liberty add up to 25, not 15. Or am I missing what you're saying here?

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Originally Posted by Dave_Loves_Gold
Yes, but the 4 digits of the Goddess of Liberty add up to 25, not 15. Or am I missing what you're saying here?
Add the digits of the year the Goddess of Liberty was first placed on the Texas State Capitol building, the 4 most helpful numbers in solving this chapter add up to this total.
The sum of what you are looking for adds up to 15.
I was using two clues for that line of thinking

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Yeah, I see.
I find it interesting, also then, that the Question at the end of the Chapter that is referring to the Goddess of Liberty is Question 15.

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Couple more bits I have noticed.

The first three keys for C4 were CHA. The main character in chapter 5 is CHA-MP. The first 4 letters add up to 25 from the goddess of libery clue (C+H+A+M). (H+A+M) is also the second part of the first question in the book: denHAM.

Also, the cryptex for chapter 5 have has a first answer of Howard Carter. In reverse, this is CH. Similarly, the second word for C4 solution was BLUE, and the Cryptex for C4 has an answer of London Bridge, or BL in reverse.

One other strange thing. The eagle presented for chapter 5 is "Phoenix", which was the chapter 4 location?

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Well, now that Chapter 5 has been solved, I have some better ideas. My ideas exclude the story itself, and is derived from: chapter questions, the optic cross, the archives, and the chapter introduction on the website. I think that some of the facebook clues are trying to point the same things out.

C5 Optic Cross: clue 1.q3(C) number cipher 2.q9(I) alpha-numeric caesar shift 7
Turns out, one of these is the question used for the alpha sequence. The other (as hinted by Ron's Sudoku clue) is the encrypted start for omega. This is also a hint that a shift will be used.

From the chapter summary on the website:
Lafitte and his brother Pierre first gained notoriety when they organized a community of smugglers on one of the small delta islands near New Orleans.
The first thing to note is the "delta", which indeed ended up being the cipher method. Lafitte and Pierre were hinted several times in Ron's clues (What weighs more a pound of gold or feathers: 12, 16. The senior brother "Pierre" was ten years older than Jean Lafitte)
If you use google maps and zoom in on Barataria Bay, you will find a small island "manilla" at the northern end of the bay.
C5Q14(N) A treasure consisting of 2 tons of platinum was believed to have been recovered in Manila in 1995. What is the name of the Japanese General who stole millions of dollars of treasure from south-east asian countries during WWII?
(N) was the decrypted start of our Omega key. Now, if you go look in the treasure hunt archives, you will find C5Q3 at 5 o'clock or "south-east", which is the alpha key sequence question.

C4Q15(O): In 2006 the smallest known book, measuring 5x5mm was put up for auction in Christie's Auction House. What prayer was contined within its pages. the Lord's Prayer.
Chapter 4 played a role as well. It actually have us the start to alpha. Both the 5 and 5x5=25 became important is hinted by Ron's clues. Additionally, the Vignere cipher in C5 is a special one, being Smithy code, where "25" is used in the decrypt sequence. Note that the smithy code question was the omega question.

C6Q3(C): What is the reverse order of the nine digit sequence of the numbers appearing in the box where three of the numbers are sequential and add up to 15?
Chapter 6 also came into play. here we have the optic cross numbers again, so I won't explain those again. However, the Question number is also the start of alpha. I also see a hint of Ron's facebook clue that the numbers we are looking for add up to 15. Maybe we didn't need the facebook clue?

C5Q15(O): Tahw si eht eman fo eht eutats gnidnats no pot fo eht Saxet etats lotipac gnidliub?
I interpret this as the direction to go. We are moving forwards and backwards in this chapter.

Rons clue of looking for a tap, and looking on the other side was hinting at using chapter 4 and chapter 6.
C4Q3(C) (tap code) the grand canyon was carved out by what river?
C6Q12(L) (tap code) what are the 5 books written by douglas adams known as?
Here we have the alpha question and omega question again. We also have the cipher number which is the chapter number.

C5Q20(T): King tut's tomb was discovered in 1922 after more than ten years of searching. What was the name of the person that discovered king tut's tomb? Howard Carter
The Crytex questions seems to have a special part in the solution. I think it helps with either the start of alpha or omega, which varies by chapter. There were two questions in the chapter that mention 10, which was the total delta. The Kryptos clue may actually be a nudge to use the Crytex. In fact, the Krytos in C4 was about King tut's tomb...something to think about.

C5Q7(G): In 1933 more than 400000 american 20 dollar "double eagle" gold coins were manufactured. They were ordered destroyed by the then president Franklin Roosevelt. Ten of those coins were not destroyed. how many of these coins are still known to exist?
Yet another reference to the total delta of ten. If we should play captain obvious, Lincoln also appears on the back of a US 10cent coin. The double eagle may just be referring to two "fives".

C5Q13(M): Sam houston is one of the most famous figures in texas history. He served as President of the Republic and Senator for Texas. What state was he born in?
With a little research on wikipedia, you will find Sam Houston is one of the KGC members. He is also featured on two stamps:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Ho...samhouston.JPG
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Ho...6_Issue-3c.jpg
Here we find the cipher number 5 again, and the alpha question to use. For bonus points, you would notice: "The U.S. city of Houston in Southeast Texas was named in Sam Houston's honor." The archives had our alpha question at 5 o'clock or "southeast".

C5Q19(S): On the first step of the unfinished pyramid on the back of the american dollar bill what year do the roman numerals signify? MDCCLXXVI
Perhaps we had to use this one (dollar bill) near the end of the chapter to find alpha and omega questions. Also making an appearance is X=10, V=5, The Sam Houston question 13, and question 4, which contained the last missing key (Z=5).

So, flame away! If I was asked "Well, where do you start?", I would answer the optic cross, the chapter summary, and then look at the questions carefully.

6. Bravo Gizmo!
Many of us are hopeful that these chapters can truly be solved without facebook clues.
Maybe this is why Ron thought the whole thing would be over in 3 years. Once we figured out the mechanics of the optic cross, chapter questions and intro, we would be able to solve later chapters more quckly.

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I forgot one more, but it involves the story, but incorporates one of the early clues of the hunt I think we can all appreciate. "Start at the beginning"
The first letter of the chapter in C4 was "My father was.." "M". C4Q13 just happened to be the cryptex, which contained Weavers Needle, the start keys for C4 alpha and omega.
The first letter of the chapter in C5 was "Yo ho, yo ho, a pirates life for me..." "Y"=25. 25 was part of the smithy cipher sequence, which hints at Q12. In C4Q15, we have the 5x5 book in Q15=O, or the start of alpha.

I haven't looked at C2, or C3 yet because I didn't participate in those chapters very much. We all know how important it was to start at the beginning in C1.

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I've found more interesting stuff for C4!!
I've already mention the first letter of C4 being M and the cryptex connection. How about the optic cross?
Q15 1.Treasure hunt archives 2.Q20 Playfair cipher look to another answer in this chapter to find the key.

In the archives, you will find the 5x5 Lord's prayer at 2 o'clock. Two will play an important role in the chapter. However, 2 was not the start. If you roll the clock in 24 hour time though, it is also 14 o'clock, and C4Q14 was the alpha sequence.
Now, point the clock to 20 o'clock (as the optic cross suggests), and you will find the The lost city of Atlantis. However, it's not 20, it's 8 o'clock, and our omega key was in C4Q8. The two are exactly opposite 180 degrees, sort of how C4Q11 suggests.

If you point the clock to 22 o'clock, you find the article for C4Q16, and find that alpha and omega add up to Q16=22.

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This one is for Doc,

I feel the need to point this out in case it is the beginning of something bigger, and didn't get noticed. Fits a theme of three keys, so what the heck. First, the solutions to C1 and C5:
ATENOCLKIH
FMSRGPDBJQ

OCMRJQTGBH
Seems harmless...until you add the fact that CL were the questions used to solve C5. I've seen a lot of coincidences with three letter words RED, BAD, DOG, PIG, HEN, HAM and other things, but five letters seems less likely.

10. I am wondering as to when and if this hunt will continue. Ron said his team will evaluate after the summer vacation which should end mid September.