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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobster View Post
    P.s. Your observation about the chapter intros containing valid clues (and herrings) is absolutely true.
    I would have to agree with this. This appears to be true for all chapters. In fact, some of the facebook clues themselves are pointing us toward the chapter intro.


    First, part of the golden eagle clue from the intro:
    The smuggler Jean Lafitte was one of the last men to make a name for himself as a pirate of the Caribbean; by the time of his death in the 1820’s, the peace between Spain and the United States had done away with much of the lawlessness that had permitted Lafitte and his famous predecessors Blackbeard, Henry Morgan, and Captain Kidd to ply their trade in the Gulf of Mexico for two centuries.

    And for the chapter:
    Despite the growing strength of the young American nation in his day, Lafitte was able to take advantage of the Caribbean “western frontier” in order to accumulate riches that may still be buried around the bayous and islands that he knew so well. Lafitte and his brother Pierre first gained notoriety when they organized a community of smugglers on one of the small delta islands near New Orleans.
    As a note of interest( and not very obvious), if you use google maps to look at the islands near Barataria Bay, one of them is named Manilla. There are at least a couple other subtle hints in this sentence, but I shall leave that up to you to interpret for yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dawnplayer8 View Post
    For what it is worth, I don't know if the overlay works or not, but I do know another quester emailed artist Dean Lauze. She asked if anything was hidden in the chapter drawings. He said no, but Ron and he had discussed doing that it but decided against it.
    You wouldn't actually need the artist to know about hidden clues. You can just have someone draw you a bunch of pictures, and then after the fact you can write clues to match whatever it is they drew.

    Take that C1 "7" stick for example... Perhaps the guy just drew a stick. After the fact, Ron's like "yo dude, that looks a little like a 7. Let's use it and reference it as such..." and then tacked on the "ghost of cooper past" thing.

    There are definitely clues in the pictures, but like most other clues in this hunt, the references to them are insanely vague and circumstantial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobster View Post
    You wouldn't actually need the artist to know about hidden clues. You can just have someone draw you a bunch of pictures, and then after the fact you can write clues to match whatever it is they drew.

    Take that C1 "7" stick for example... Perhaps the guy just drew a stick. After the fact, Ron's like "yo dude, that looks a little like a 7. Let's use it and reference it as such..." and then tacked on the "ghost of cooper past" thing.

    There are definitely clues in the pictures, but like most other clues in this hunt, the references to them are insanely vague and circumstantial.
    I always hated the explanation for the "ghost" clue. I think you were supposed to find paragraph 33 which has the word "ghost" anagrammed in the poem letters. In that paragraph you find that "the old man grabbed his cane" which led you to the picture with DB holding a cane shaped like a number 7. The old man was not the ghost, the anagram was the "ghost".

    I think that the cane just happened to look like a 7 and paragraph 23 happened to land on page 7, but maybe that was just lucky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dawnplayer8 View Post
    I always hated the explanation for the "ghost" clue. I think you were supposed to find paragraph 33 which has the word "ghost" anagrammed in the poem letters. In that paragraph you find that "the old man grabbed his cane" which led you to the picture with DB holding a cane shaped like a number 7. The old man was not the ghost, the anagram was the "ghost".

    I think that the cane just happened to look like a 7 and paragraph 23 happened to land on page 7, but maybe that was just lucky.
    It's a good example of how clues need to be quite specific to be useful.

    Assuming the cane was important, my wife and I had worked out fairly early that the cane was a 7 (his hands crossed on it - X marks the spot), and therefore 7 was "the omega key".

    What does "omega key" mean to you? When I hear the words "OMEGA KEY", I hear "last key". As in, x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-7. Unfortunately, the word "key" was totally redefined randomly and without hint to mean "10 keys". It completely derailed our C1 solution and put us in a position where we would have never possibly won.

    So even though we correctly identified the reference, the clue's primary interpretation was a herring (since "key" is defined in the instructions to be those 20 things that you win by solving questions).

    Correctly finding the "7" actually set us BACK. We would have been closer to the solution had we never discovered anything.

    We would have had a greater chance of winning had we not even tried.

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    Well, misinterpreting what "OMEGA" meant set you back - not correctly finding the 7 (in fact, didn't the word OMEGA come from additional clues? --I wasn't around in those days -- Had NO additional clues ever been necessary, the 7 worked quite nicely, right?)

    While we're on the subject of the chapter pictures, I can't remember anyone ever mentioning the "Lack" of objects in the Chapter 5 picture. This goes along with the 3rd additional clue "The secret to this chapter is not the things that you can see but the things that you can't see which will make the difference" There are a few things from the text that are missing from the picture. Perhaps this is a post better served in the Chapt. 5 thread but you were talking about the pictures.

    By the way -- I am NOT one of the people that submits to the conclusion that these Chapters can only be solved by extra facebook clues. In fact, I even believe many of the extras have been thought up recently and are partially governed by the progress in the solutions that have been submitted. Trying to "guide" us without actually "steering" us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave_Loves_Gold View Post
    By the way -- I am NOT one of the people that submits to the conclusion that these Chapters can only be solved by extra facebook clues. In fact, I even believe many of the extras have been thought up recently and are partially governed by the progress in the solutions that have been submitted. Trying to "guide" us without actually "steering" us.
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    Who knows. I'd love to hear though if anyone has even a remote idea where in the book "+/-" or "-/+" being an important and required part of C5 is. I don't see it. C5's solution to date to me appears to be completely disconnected from anything in the book.

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    "extra facebook clues" are all we have for clues though. I wish it was not this way. Not too long ago I remember being excited about this treasure hunt because I had to actually go search for clues, whether it be in videos or sponsor web pages or on the site itself.

    I don't expect the treasure to be easy to find... and certainly not without extra clues. A treasure hunt is supposed to have clues of some sort to keep you going... or throw you off. It just sucks that it has come down to "extra facebook clues".

    This of course is just my opinion and a bit of ranting... that being said, I would be very surprised and even a little disappointed if somebody solved a chapter without "clues" outside of what is written in the chapters. IMHO this hunt needs more creative clues, not a "guide".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobster View Post
    Who knows. I'd love to hear though if anyone has even a remote idea where in the book "+/-" or "-/+" being an important and required part of C5 is. I don't see it. C5's solution to date to me appears to be completely disconnected from anything in the book.
    This was hinted at by the fourth clue. It's not in the book, but it's in the chapter summary on the website. For this reason, it's not really an additional facebook clue, although the clue did help.

    Lafitte and his brother Pierre first gained notoriety when they organized a community of smugglers on one of the small delta islands near New Orleans
    If you look it up on google maps, there is a small island in Barataria Bay called "Manilla". I'm still not sure, but it could be a reference to "Manila" in question 14, which was also hinted at in the Filthy 13 clue....or maybe not? I thought the delta part was reasonably clear though.

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    For chapter 4:
    To start, skip over, then go back.

    But...his body was disCovered out here.... you can unCover What you want later.....
    to stir up an issue better left for a discussioN over a beer or two
    then, as though reading my mind, she spreads the light over Her
    Indeed we got the C-W for the first key. We also got the N=Q14 and H=Q8 as well.

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    The search for the Lost Dutchman Mine was once laden with trail markers long since perished or destroyed, but that one, Weavers Needle, almost always seems to be the center point..... She turns slowly to the northwest and extends a finger
    For chapter 4:
    We all realized that the needle was the starting point. I did not catch the finger pointing to the northwest, which is the arrangement of Q14 and then Q8 if you point at it like a compass on the questions page. I've heard the same thing from another questor using the shadow of the image from the cactus at the beginning of the chapter.

    For chapter 5:
    The word "digit" comes from fingers (or toes) of the limb. The digits of the goddess of liberty add up to this total. Also...without facebook clues...Q17: find the correct four digit code. The last two digits of that code are 15.

    I'm starting to wonder if we have to be twice as lucky for every chapter as the starting point? Anyone have any ideas for chapters 1-3? Some sort of thinking around two 7's or 14?

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