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    No. In fact, each winner admits they got the solution solely from Facebook clues, and they were surprised. There is no way to prove the solutions are what he says they are. They could change daily for all we know

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morrigan View Post
    No. In fact, each winner admits they got the solution solely from Facebook clues, and they were surprised. There is no way to prove the solutions are what he says they are. They could change daily for all we know
    Sounds about right to me. And somewhat disappointing at the same time. In the previous chapter, there was ONE important clue that ruled the rest. From chapter 5:
    clue #2: If you are looking for a 'tap' to solve this chapter, look on the other side.
    For chapter 5, The tap code questions in chapter 4 and 6 were question 3 and 12. For those that think each chapter stands on its own... I disagree. This clue proved it.

    Anyone want to chime in for chapter 6? I'm sticking with the math because I am stubborn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gizmo2337 View Post
    Sounds about right to me. And somewhat disappointing at the same time. In the previous chapter, there was ONE important clue that ruled the rest. From chapter 5:

    For chapter 5, The tap code questions in chapter 4 and 6 were question 3 and 12. For those that think each chapter stands on its own... I disagree. This clue proved it.

    Anyone want to chime in for chapter 6? I'm sticking with the math because I am stubborn.
    I believe that the creators of this book believe there are clues in the book.

    Unfortunately believing there are clues and there actually being clues are two very different things.

    A clue is only a clue though if it conveys usable information a priori. Outside of the 7-stick in C1 (which I brought to Roger's attention days before he won), there has not been a single "in book" clue identified in 5 chapters.

    To date, I have successfully found a small number of things in the book that are improbable enough in occurrence that I am confident they are "real clues".

    Unfortunately, against those few items, I have also found literally HUNDREDS of things that looked equally as probable as being clues, and all of those have proven to be useless.

    When I find 55 clue-looking-things in each chapter, and only 5 of them are real clues, I can only conclude that looking for "clues in the book", even if they are real and exist, is a waste of time. You simply don't go mining in a place where 90% of everything you dig up is fool's gold. To date there has been little reward in this hunt for exploring the book.

    The way to win the last 5 chapters has been to wait for Facebook clues to actually stop being continually misleading, and then be lucky enough to be first to submit.

    None of the FB clues in 5 years now have CLEARLY offered assistance on how to identify real clues in the book from noise. So the perception that there are no clues in there is completely understandable and rational.

    If it can't be found, it's not a clue. If that's the case for all "clues in the book", then there are no clues in the book.

    I still hold hope that one of the million interesting things I've discovered actually helps solve something, but I have sort of come to terms with the fact that facebook clues are the only rational way to try to solve these solutions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobster View Post
    I still hold hope that one of the million interesting things I've discovered actually helps solve something, but I have sort of come to terms with the fact that facebook clues are the only rational way to try to solve these solutions.
    Unfortunately, I think you are correct. I've been able to spot a few things that stand out from the rest though. My favourite one is chapter 1. Objectively, there is something odd in the questions at the back of that chapter. Two of the encrypted questions are the same question and answer. The answer is "Washington". Washington was found on the omega page. Even the question number pointed to the page number. Way back at the beginning of the book, I remember people questioning it...why is it there twice?

    With that sort of thinking in mind, I'll submit this. In chapter 6, the optic cross mentions "Q9 Treasure hunt archives". Yet, if you go look in the archives, you will not find the answer to that question there. That one things stands out in my mind as being a little more than "noise". It appears deliberate and intentionally. But, for what?

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    "Arrange the keys from the chapter in the correct order and submit your answer. The clues to getting the correct sequence are hidden in the book, at The World's Greatest Treasure Hunt : Quest for the Golden Eagle, and sponsors' websites."

    Really?

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    I, for one, will no longer waste my time on hunts that dole out clues at the creators discretion. Whether you are trusting or not, I believe that a hunt that gives all the clues up-front and neither provides nor relies on any others is the most genuine and fair way to conduct a hunt. Anything else introduces the possibility of the creator or creators waiting on some external event, such as book proceeds, to decide when they are ready for the puzzle to be solvable. If I were conducting a hunt, I do my best to mitigate any illusion of impropriety, which the creator of this hunt most certainly had not done.

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    There certainly is quite a few mishaps with this book. Errata. Late map markings. Markings for the wrong dates. Needing to buy two books. Selling the eagles for chapter 5 while the chapter is in progress. Bronze eagle substitution. The 12 eagles don't all exist, other than the remaining wax moulds. Golden eagle and decoy stolen. Questionable intentions, funds raised for the cause, and other things as time as gone by. 6 years and counting... half way?
    31. Q. How long do you think the treasure hunt will last?
    A. We anticipate the treasure hunt will last between 8 months and three years. Additional clues will be given out as the hunt continues. Keep coming back to the website as there is no notification when the clues on the website are changed.
    The sponsor websites changed their websites years ago. Those clues don't even exist anymore...not that you'd need them.

    Ignoring all this, I am grateful for the people I have met along the way, and the brain exercise to keep things fresh. For me, meeting people and the challenge along the way has been far more rewarding than the hunt itself. Perhaps it will be time to switch hunts soon. Depending how this chapter turns out, it might need to get moved into "not recommended hunts". I wouldn't say that just yet though. Perhaps there is more surprises ahead (good or bad?) Grab some popcorn and enjoy the show this fall

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    My favorite was when we found out there were two versions of chapter two and you needed both to solve the chapter.
    I really thought since the author encouraged sharing ideas and the chapter was about two friends, there would be two silver eagles awarded. That would have been really impressive. Two winners both going on a hunt through San Francisco to find the eagles. But, no. I could go on about how this hunt could and should have been handled.
    I think it will be very difficult to face the Mel Fisher family after having the Atocha Star stolen. That is why I think this hunt will be over.
    The author said that Atocha Star was donated. Not exactly. It was sold to him at a discount. So why not tell the truth?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryCarnauba View Post
    I, for one, will no longer waste my time on hunts that dole out clues at the creators discretion. Whether you are trusting or not, I believe that a hunt that gives all the clues up-front and neither provides nor relies on any others is the most genuine and fair way to conduct a hunt. Anything else introduces the possibility of the creator or creators waiting on some external event, such as book proceeds, to decide when they are ready for the puzzle to be solvable. If I were conducting a hunt, I do my best to mitigate any illusion of impropriety, which the creator of this hunt most certainly had not done.
    Very well put and as all should be. Thanks for this post.


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    Quote Originally Posted by gizmo2337 View Post

    In chapter 6, the optic cross mentions "Q9 Treasure hunt archives". Yet, if you go look in the archives, you will not find the answer to that question there. That one things stands out in my mind as being a little more than "noise". It appears deliberate and intentionally. But, for what?
    This clue seemed very odd to me also. There is an article on the SS Republic, in the November folder, "2003 Shipwreck may contain 30,000 pieces of gold". The article was from 11-30-2003 Jacksonville Florida, but the article doesn't have the answer to the question in it. With now 30,000 pieces of gold maybe it is another sometimes there's more clue?

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