# Thread: Chapter 6 - Clues and Discussion

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Originally Posted by hunterforgold
? anyone know what the stairs are ? Unless each "step" is part of the stairs, ie, the alpha and omega "steps"?
Just add it to the list of ciphers I suppose. So far we have:
caesar minus 5, caesar plus 1, atbash, playfair, MKIIXGCMA, MOIJZGZHLPEFDH, anagram, and now plus five stairs. Did I miss any?

As Ron would say... just use them all!

2. In what order?

3. What us this above me? A troll?
Ron is stalling so he can hold onto his last silver eagle for years to come.

4. Originally Posted by gizmo2337
Just add it to the list of ciphers I suppose. So far we have:
caesar minus 5, caesar plus 1, atbash, playfair, MKIIXGCMA, MOIJZGZHLPEFDH, anagram, and now plus five stairs. Did I miss any?

As Ron would say... just use them all!
I've used combinations resulting in over 45 different ciphers / letter-reading / skipping patterns, etc and cipher methods now based on the clues.

After all the emphasis on subtraction, we have had two clues in a row specifically using addition.

The "equations with no hints whatsoever as to what they refer to" are particularly silly. E=5, U-6=5, P=6 (maybe), V+0=W, 10+5=5, etc etc.

Maybe next week's clue will be 16 - 4 + 5 = 0, encoded in vigenere, using the password "atbash".

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Originally Posted by Lobster
I've used combinations resulting in over 45 different ciphers / letter-reading / skipping patterns, etc and cipher methods now based on the clues.

After all the emphasis on subtraction, we have had two clues in a row specifically using addition.

The "equations with no hints whatsoever as to what they refer to" are particularly silly. E=5, U-6=5, P=6 (maybe), V+0=W, 10+5=5, etc etc.

Maybe next week's clue will be 16 - 4 + 5 = 0, encoded in vigenere, using the password "atbash".
I believe the correct ciphers have been clued to us at least twice. Atbash, vignere, and caesar shift are not "boiling it down" ciphers, unless you believe the boil it down clue is for something else.

The math is a little trickier. The plus is so you do the logic backwards...also hinted at in other clues. The frustrating part is, are the numbers plain sequence, decrypted sequence, or decrypted sequence with cipher, or possibly even key placements? Remember, he did this in chapter 4 as well. If he doesn't explicitly say what the number is for (key etc), then it could be any of the above. ---> Use them all, and perhaps the solution will be found!

My personal thought on the numbers? zero, five, six, ten, and twenty-one are just spots as you count on a path through the book. When counting, if those locations work for the math, you could be on the right track. Of course, the other clues would have to fit as well, so it's not that easy.

6. I'm not sure if we need to create playfair cipher or not (some clues seem to suggest we do, others don't), but determining what letter to exclude in a PF matrix is a huge pain in the neck too. I'm finding I'm having to double everything trying I=J and Q=Q. There' simply no consistency in the book as far as excluded letters goes.

7. Very quiet on this hunt.
Last clue. Which way is Noah traveling?

8. I heard that Noah was off to Texas two by two.

9. Come now Jeff, combining three clues is not something someone should do if they want to Play Fair!

10. All Five Kings.

WHAT 5 kings is this referring to? Has anyone figured that out?