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Thread: Chapter 6 - Clues and Discussion

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    ... a conference call? ... seriously? how the heck is that going to work... if you have ever been on one with more than 3 people you'll know what I mean. So, is he collecting a cut of the long distance and toll charges... maybe that's the ploy to keep it going.

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    Right on Kazoo. A conference call is a Dilbert cartoon.

    But...

    Just sayin'...

    HEY RON, IF YOU DON'T WANT IT TO TAKE SO LONG GIVE ACCURATE CLUES WITHOUT ERRORS AND DO NOT TAKE YEARS OF SUMMERS OFF!!!

    and

    STOP LOSING THE PRIZES IN A "ROBBERY" and 'FESS UP ABOUT THE PRIZES THAT ARE LEFT!!

    Conference call = awkward if right questions are asked. I gave up years ago after talking to him.

    Conference call pass code should be "GIVE UP HOPE ALL YE WHO ENTER HERE".

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    Oh and by the way.. my post from 2014 - have not actually looked at this puzzle since, just watchdog it...

    Well, we've got a problem. In my more than 3 hour discussion with Ron, he admitted that there are NOT 12 silver eagles and never were.

    There are the 3 silver eagles he has given out. The gold eagle that is for sale. The bronze eagle that is the prize for Chapter 5 which is STILL for sale despite his promise to me to take it down. And one remaining silver eagle, also for sale. That leaves a deficit of 7 eagles that he told me do not exist and never did.

    He told me he did not have the money to make the eagles up front and so they have been made on an as needed/as possible basis.

    He says the Terms & Conditions cover him legally, and I told him, "Since I never assumed you are a complete moron, I would assume a lawyer vetted this travesty and you probably are covered. However, it's morally reprehensible to let people go on under the assumption that the prizes exist when they don't and to leave them in the dark as to whether or not you have the monetary equivalent to give as a prize either."

    He also addressed the issue of stifling dissent and promised to address it, blamed staff, etc. Further blamed staff for all the errors in clues. I pointed out that, "That's a cowardly way out. And it doesn't matter. It's your hunt and your responsibility. If it goes out under your name and it's wrong, it's your fault. Own it."

    He asked me what he should say to address all this and I pointed out that it was a pretty clever way to shut me up. Co-opt me to "help" him. He then reiterated that he really wanted my advice. So, at his request, I emailed him a suggested response based on our conversation. He responded to my email and all that appears below. I had almost decided to wait until Monday to say all this, but given what he told Harobed, all bets are indeed off. I have blocked out my last name and email address. All else is unedited. Keep in mind, this is what I suggested he should say to all of you based on our conversation, and in his response to me, he does not dispute any factual item contained within. The email address for him is one he gave me on the phone he said was private so I removed that as well.


    > ________________________________________
    > From: Ron [@yahoo.com]
    > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 1:41 AM
    > To: Jana Bohrer
    > Subject: Re: PR Tourniquet
    >
    > Thanks for the note. It looks really good. I will try to edit it this week and get something out as quickly as I can. Thank you again for your help. I really do appreciate it. Ron
    >
    > Sent from my iPhone
    >
    > On Oct 22, 2014, at 2:41 PM, Jana <jbohrer@<mailto:>> wrote:
    >
    > In case the attachment causes problems for your iPhone:
    >
    > Hello Everyone,
    >
    > I’ve looked at the feedback, and I think it’s clear that I haven’t communicated very well with all of you. I want to apologize for that and I want to rectify it. I also want to ask each of you for your help as we move forward.
    >
    > First and most importantly, I want you all to know that I intend to take the World’s Greatest Treasure Hunt to its conclusion. It is not in my plans to terminate the Hunt early. I remain deeply committed to the cause of breast cancer research. And, I am also committed to all of you who have helped that cause by participating. I know you have all put in numerous hours of effort and I am grateful for that.
    >
    > First let me address some of the lesser issues that have come up. I have been travelling extensively, and in my absence some of my team thought it best to delete all negative comments from this page and block some users. That was not the best way to handle this and it won’t happen again.
    >
    > Also, I want to clarify that the Chapter 5 eagle, “Phoenix”, is NOT for sale. It will be given as the prize. “Phoenix” was displayed and was for sale in the same way that the gold eagle is. I will be in contact with the studio advertising “Phoenix” and ask them to remove him from their catalog so there won’t be any confusion.
    >
    > As for the length of time it took to solve Chapter 4, I am sorry some people were upset by that. But the fact is that the Hunt will take time. There may be future Chapters that are also long. And if that’s a huge problem, then I can only reiterate my offer of a refund. I hope the journey makes the wait worthwhile.
    >
    > Having said that, there are some things I can do better and I intend to. We will be more diligent about proofreading and posting clues. And we will also make it crystal clear if we make a mistake. I will also make every reasonable effort to get clues out there by ______ o’clock on Fridays and to let you know in advance if there will not be a clue.
    >
    > Now I need to answer the larger questions. Some of you have asked if there are silver eagles in existence for every remaining chapter. The answer to that question is no. In addition to the gold eagle, the silver eagle “Waiting to Soar” has been made. And of course we have the Chapter 5 eagle “Phoenix” I described in earlier posts.
    >
    > The reason for that is pretty simple. The cost of having all 12 silver eagles and the gold eagle made in advance was simply too prohibitive. So the eagles are made as the book progresses and we are ready to award them. And it’s true that the Hunt is on a tight budget. In retrospect, I wish I had made that clear from the outset so we could have avoided the kind of misunderstanding that has arisen. I am sorry about that.
    >
    > As for “Phoenix” himself, I stand by my earlier description and assessment of his value. While I do understand the pushback regarding the fact the he is not a “silver” eagle, the fact remains that he will be the Chapter 5 prize. I was and am making every effort to be upfront about the prize in advance so it’s clear what you’re going to get and you can make a decision on that basis.
    >
    > I hope I’ve addressed all of your concerns. If I haven’t - please ask me. I can’t promise that everyone will always be 100% satisfied with every decision we make, but I can promise to be transparent and accountable to you – and I will be.
    >
    > This Hunt really is a team effort. If all of you participate and encourage others to participate we can keep the Hunt up and running to the end and help the cause. That’s my goal, and I hope it’s yours as well. Together we can make it happen. We can do some good and hopefully have a lot of
    fun along the way.

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    Subsequently..eagles...all stolen. 2014-2017 RIP

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    STOP DRINKING THE KOOL-AID. IT CONTAINS ARSENIC! Have fun on the call.

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    Ron does not read this forum anymore. He believes people on here are delusional. His words, not mine.

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    Didn't write any of that for Ron. After the phone call I had with him in 2014 he knows how I feel and that I was out forever. I wrote it for anyone still wasting their precious time on earth on this thing.

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    I was on the conference call. It was productive. We gave Ron suggestions on changes and marketing the hunt.

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    I agree Jeff. It was good to finally put a voice to all the names I have been reading, also. I had not realized how injured he was during the theft!! I am glad he was not hurt even more. This was the first time I spoke to Ron and he seems to be a genuinely nice, and thoroughly honest guy. Hopefully some of the suggestions will bring a spark back into the hunt. And for all those that didn't go on the conference call - he told us how to solve chapter 13.5 . Just joking, there were really no extra hints given, but it was a very positive and hopefully productive interaction.

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    It was an interesting conference call. Here are some of my takeaways in no particular order: There will be changes going foreword. Ron does not want to abandon this hunt, but the sales of the book are very disappointing. The golden eagle has not been recovered. Ron had an offer to sell it for $7 million at the time it was stolen. The chapters can be solved with the clues in the book, but it would be hard to do. There is a theme to the chapters that Ron wrote. We have enough clues to solve Ch. 6, and not many if any of the clues are red herrings. If more clues are forthcoming, we will get a clue on Wednesday. About one year ago someone was close, but nobody has the first half of the solution correct. There has not been any number placements given for Ch. 6. Finally, Ron wants help with marketing and getting the word out about the book and the cause.

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