Thread: Chapter 6 - Clues and Discussion

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Hi Dawn, can you provide some feedback on how you're attacking those questions? I bet we're all nodding in agreement reading the questions that you've raised, but what could make this interesting is offering thoughts on how you're solving those questions (see above more recent posts for similar contributions) in addition to identifying the areas that are giving you the most challenges. Admittedly, it could help someone else win the eagle, but at this point, I'd be happy to have anyone find the correct 20 so we can finally be enlightened with the Ch 6 interpretation, and move to Ch 7. Can you help with your thought processes on those questions?

2. A=zero
B=1
C=2
DOG=3,14,6=CNF
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Originally Posted by Glace
Hi Dawn, can you provide some feedback on how you're attacking those questions? I bet we're all nodding in agreement reading the questions that you've raised, but what could make this interesting is offering thoughts on how you're solving those questions (see above more recent posts for similar contributions) in addition to identifying the areas that are giving you the most challenges. Admittedly, it could help someone else win the eagle, but at this point, I'd be happy to have anyone find the correct 20 so we can finally be enlightened with the Ch 6 interpretation, and move to Ch 7. Can you help with your thought processes on those questions?
Hi Glace, I would be glad to share my thoughts on the questions I brought up.
question 1.Do we use the questions for the solution text? I think that yes we do.
The solutions seem to go in groups of 3. Chapters one through three used the chapter text, chapters four and five used the questions text. So to complete the group of 3 chapter six should use the questions text.
I will try to answer another question tomorrow. You or anyone else is welcome to send me a PM. I also would like to see this solved.

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Today I thought I would answer question: 2. A spin is involved but do we use clockwise or counter-clockwise?

The first clue given would make you think that a counter clockwise spin(since this hurricane occurred in the Northern hemisphere) would be used. However the clue embedded in the book would make you think a clockwise spin is used. Maybe this is where we are being misled or mizzled. So as a result I am doing the solution both directions.

Anyone have any thoughts, Good luck all.

5. Does the earth spin counterclockwise?
In the northern hemisphere, yes it does.
That clue was a double. It was in the form of a question so we look inthe questions AND we go left to right in finding the solution then somehow make a turn. It could be as simple as using a double digit question then going back to the beginning of a single digit question on the previous page.

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Originally Posted by Rx Jeff
Does the earth spin counterclockwise?
In the northern hemisphere, yes it does.
That clue was a double. It was in the form of a question so we look inthe questions AND we go left to right in finding the solution then somehow make a turn. It could be as simple as using a double digit question then going back to the beginning of a single digit question on the previous page.
This puzzle has an interesting way of making everyone think that their method of solution is correct and I really like your thinking. But I imagine our solutions look nothing alike. I still think clockwise is correct but have been trying both spins.

I will also comment on my question: 3. Although I think we need to use a playfair, is there a keyword used?
I have tried no keyword(starting at zero keyword?), have tried "todays the day, todayshe", and "today is the day, todayishe" maybe I will try "today" next. I really like "todays the day" best because it puts "I" in the center square similar to an eye(I) in the center of a hurricane.

7. Originally Posted by dawnplayer8
do we use clockwise or counter-clockwise?
My vote is counter-clockwise... hurricane direction, earth rotation (looking from top/north pole) and also the clue "Even the Atocha gives you a clue"... in the picture, the ship is turning counter-clockwise on the page.
Still not sure if it just means counter-clockwise=backwards=read from right to left or if it indeed means a 'spin' like read of a playfair key grid in a counter-clockwise direction (until you get to the center=eye=I?). If one was to buy-in to this 'spinning' solution, it might be what the 'you may have felt that you have run a marathon' clue is hinting at... 'run a marathon' = 'running in circles'?

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Our thought on the "does the earth spin counterclockwise" is as Dawn mentioned - depending on where you are in the world, it appears to spin clockwise or counterclockwise. That leads us to believe that half of the solution works back to front and the other half front to back. It also became consistent with the "when you get to the eye go back to the start" assuming we start our first ten at the of the story (or questions) and work back to the middle (eye, or I). Then go back to the start (front?) and work your way in. But still stuck on if our path should be in the story or the questions.

Another thought, if the playfair key is "todaystheday" which makes the center box "I", then the "eye" is the I, which sounds really cool. But what do we do with that playfair box? Do we just take letters from the playfair in some circular order until we find 10 unique letters? If so, that doesn't allow us to input pairs of letters in the playfair to arrive at some new set of 10 letters. If however, we need to input letters taken from the story or questions, then we lose the relevance of 'moving towards the eye' because inputting pairs of letters into the playfair won't necessarily be on a circular path toward the eye/I.

We do like the circular path, it matches the lollipop clue and the lifesaver clue and could match marathon if marathon is running around in circles. The jury is still out on that for us because marathons, at least in recent times, are run on city streets and not on track and field ovals. Then again, we haven't had any "a-ha" moments for marathon yet so running in circles is not a bad option

We also found it odd that Ron gave 2 clues that listed the answers to the 20 chapter questions. Our guess is either a) hardly anyone solved the chapter questions so there were very few participants submitting maps or b) it's not about supplying the answers, it's actually a clue to point us to the chapter questions. We are leaning toward b) because after some serious Google time, or tweleve exchanges, the questions can be answered.

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Sorry Jeff, my error, I referred Dawn instead of you for the earth spinning clue. I guess we're all spinning a little...

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Originally Posted by Glace
We do like the circular path, it matches the lollipop clue and the lifesaver clue and could match marathon if marathon is running around in circles. The jury is still out on that for us because marathons, at least in recent times, are run on city streets and not on track and field ovals. Then again, we haven't had any "a-ha" moments for marathon yet so running in circles is not a bad option
I was thinking that the marathon and possibly the Socrates clues reference the Olympics symbolized by 5 interlaced rings.

Thanks, I appreciate everyone's input.