# Thread: Chapter 6 - Clues and Discussion

1. I know a lot of people like the questions as the text to use but what about the 'waxing eloquent is a must" clue... wouldn't that suggest we need to use the poem text?

For the crazy math, I think these are to confirm your solution... maybe something like 10-6=5 means the 10th number minus the 6th number = the fifth number... 21-6=5 could mean 21 minus the 6th number = 5 (or the fifth number) ... 10+5=5 could mean the fifth number = 15 or the 10th number plus 5 = the fifth number... then the Socrates method could tie in to using deductive reasoning on these equations.

Looking back at Glace's post I noticed Mel Fisher and Fray Pedro both have 9 letter names... is there a 'difference amongst people' at work here and remember the clue 'why is it always the first person that counts'.

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Originally Posted by kazoo
I know a lot of people like the questions as the text to use but what about the 'waxing eloquent is a must" clue... wouldn't that suggest we need to use the poem text?

For the crazy math, I think these are to confirm your solution... maybe something like 10-6=5 means the 10th number minus the 6th number = the fifth number... 21-6=5 could mean 21 minus the 6th number = 5 (or the fifth number) ... 10+5=5 could mean the fifth number = 15 or the 10th number plus 5 = the fifth number... then the Socrates method could tie in to using deductive reasoning on these equations.

Looking back at Glace's post I noticed Mel Fisher and Fray Pedro both have 9 letter names... is there a 'difference amongst people' at work here and remember the clue 'why is it always the first person that counts'.
There are questions that could be associated with waxing eloquent. I wouldn't necessarily pick the poem for that clue. Zantippe is too hot tempered suggests to NOT use the poem?

Originally, I used your methodology of the math. I tried using it in all combinations. 10th number plus 5th number equals 5 or 31, and 21st minus 6th number is 15. In this way, to keep the sequence going, you'd need that math to work to pick your path. Unfortunately, none of those submissions worked out. Or perhaps it just means what it says, that 15=5. Curious that those numbers are chosen, considering its the number of encrypted/unencrypted questions at the back of the chapter. On another train of though, there is one page that has exactly 21 pairs in the poem, so perhaps the 21 in the math is nudging us to that page? There's no clear direction what the math is for. I'll admit, if to be used in the sequence, the chapter is much more fun. At least you can try sequences that fit a train of thought.

In one of the questions, EliSabeth is spelled wrong. In the movie, it's actually EliZabeth. It's not noted in the errata either. That could be a difference amongst people. The first person, when used in speech is "I". I am typing. I think the first person is to help us populate the missing letter that goes into I, but I am still not sure which one?

I'm not sure any of this helps, but wanted to toss out ideas. I'd like to hear more ideas about that math. I think it's driving everyone nuts.

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Originally Posted by kazoo
I know a lot of people like the questions as the text to use but what about the 'waxing eloquent is a must" clue... wouldn't that suggest we need to use the poem text?

For the crazy math, I think these are to confirm your solution... maybe something like 10-6=5 means the 10th number minus the 6th number = the fifth number... 21-6=5 could mean 21 minus the 6th number = 5 (or the fifth number) ... 10+5=5 could mean the fifth number = 15 or the 10th number plus 5 = the fifth number... then the Socrates method could tie in to using deductive reasoning on these equations.

Looking back at Glace's post I noticed Mel Fisher and Fray Pedro both have 9 letter names... is there a 'difference amongst people' at work here and remember the clue 'why is it always the first person that counts'.
The "waxing eloquent" clue just seemed like a rehash of the "The answer could be as simple as a child’s lollipop, when you get to the end keep on going." To me it meant that you would have to keep on going to get all the keys to the solution.

For differences, I am more interested in the difference between a man of God and a Caribbean slave, a "saint and a sinner".

4. The wHOLE thing starts with T. This has to be the playfair grid with Todaystheday as the keyword with letter I or the eye directly in the middle. Kind of resembles a lifesaver. 25 square grid with a circle or eye in the middle.

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Hey, I really love all the discussion. I guess we would have this solved except we are not sure of a start point, and the method of the solve.

Any thoughts on this clue? Gr_ _ _ _ _ _ /Trea_ _ _ _/_ _ _ T/M_ _ _ E/_ F/A_ _/T_ _ _/. I would fill it in as Greatest Treasure hunT MoviE oF All Time. An anagram of the given letters might yield "GreaT ME FAT Tr" or "reTarGET AFT M"? Is it a nod to using pairs, or the questions or the answers. Looks like the answers from ch. 6 questions 14,15 and 17,18 were based on treasure hunt movies.

6. GTTMEFAT are all the capital letters he used for that clue. By dollar volume the answer is Pirates pointing us to q14,15 and 17. But if the clues have a double entendre then what do the cap letters represent?

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Originally Posted by Rx Jeff
GTTMEFAT are all the capital letters he used for that clue. By dollar volume the answer is Pirates pointing us to q14,15 and 17. But if the clues have a double entendre then what do the cap letters represent?
How about just using the 14,15, 17 to spell out NO Q?

8. Ron calls it a Modified Atbash Cipher in his companion book, "Cracking the Code". Page 30 has a very brief description and lists it as one of many Substitution Ciphers.

9. This reply refers to the cipher used in Chapter 6, question 5, where J=0.

10. E=5
We already know that to boil it down and because A equals zero that E cannot equal 5.
So what is this clue telling us? In question 5, letter E is 5. Also on a playfair grid letter E is in position 5 if there is no keyword used. So what is the clue trying to tell us?