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    I disagree with the statement that there are no clues in the book, at least with chapter 6. The clues are subtle, and can be easily overlooked.

    At the very beginning of the story, there is a clue. This facebook clue directs you to this clue. (Jan 13th, 2016....The far ends of this chapter will help you on your way.) At the very beginning of the story, it starts, "Sometimes there occurs a confluence of events...". This statement doesn't seem to have any relevance to the story, but does seem to help with the key sequence from the questions. With the help of this clue, most all the FB clues began to coalesce and I was able to compile and submit a solution which I believe is viable, or at least very close. Lets see wait awaits on the next results notices.

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    Very astute observation Lobster! I also wondered why it took so many non-book clues to point the reader towards a solution that could never have been deciphered using only the book as a source of information. A chapter that required knowledge of a 2nd story written from a different perspective (male vs. female), each of which only provided half of the solution? Solution using only capitalized letters from different directions requiring a Caesar shift? How is anyone supposed to figure that out reading the chapter story alone? It occurred to me that Ron had created a 'hunt' that could be manipulated at any time by creating a new set of rules for a solution, and none of them would be able to be deciphered just by using the book. This would allow him to drag out the hunt as long as needed for whatever purpose. Heck, he could even decide to change a solution if someone actually submitted the correct answer sooner than he liked, and none of us would be the wiser. Good thing we have other activities to occupy our investigating minds.....

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    Only clues if the hunt are those given by the author. That way he regulates when and if a prize is won.

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    Look, I'm not here to bash Ron personally. He's had a hard enough time with his eagle drama and the hunt not turning into what he envisioned. I truly believe that in his mind he was doing something in an attempt to help cancer research.

    BUT... I am venting about wasting an extreme amount of time trying to solve a puzzle that appears to not actually have any pieces.

    bookworm says: "I disagree with the statement that there are no clues in the book, at least with chapter 6"

    Let's look at the facts:

    1. Not a single "book clue" has been mentioned in any single chapter solution from any prior chapter winner. Chapter 1,2,3,4,5 were solved 100% by clues posted on Facebook.

    2. When asked if there are clues in the book, the author is not even comfortable stating that there ARE clues in the book, even though the introduction that he wrote says there are.

    3. With the first 5 chapter solutions published, not a single person has been able to reverse engineer solutions in the book that match the published solution. Knowing an answer, it should be extremely easy to find the path that leads to it for all chapters. Yet in all these years no one has found anything.

    I am an open minded person. I would love to see some evidence that there are rational clues in this book that lead to valid solutions. As of right now though, there is zero evidence that there are.

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    I'm in quite a rare position of being one of the few people to have actually solved a chapter.

    I missed out on winning chapter 1 by a number of hours and lost out to a guy who lives about 20 miles away!

    Anyway, I digress. Nothing in the book was of any help in solving the chapter, everything came from the Facebook clues.

    That's the reason I held off on submitting my answer for a few weeks because I was trying to find something in the chapter that would back up what the Facebook clues were telling me.

    Had I known then what I know now I wouldn't have bothered with that extra work and would have ended up winning the silver eagle rather than losing out.

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    In Roger's explanation of chapter 1 solve, the ghost of copper past was the man holding a cane looking like a number 7 in the picture. That's a bit of a stretch, but I suppose you could call that a book clue? Similarly, in the questions at the back of the chapter, there's an oddity where two questions are the same, both with answer "Washington". Of course, that appears on page 7, and one of the questions was question 7, but also a bit of a stretch.

    Could anyone solve without facebook clues? I'll have to say no. There's no evidence supporting that. There seems to be little bits of info thrown into each chapter, but nothing concrete enough to really help. They could simply be coincidence too....

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    ... the clues are in the book... the 'Face' book!

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    “the ghost of copper past was the man holding a cane looking like a number 7 in the picture. That's a bit of a stretch, but I suppose you could call that a book clue”

    Nope... even that was an “email clue” added outside the book and then reiterated (erroneously) by a posted facebook clue. No thread of logic starting with the book led to it. No useful solution information has ever been inferred through reading the book and finding something.

    Nwo in fairness if I squint I can, given the solution, come up with a few very tenuous things that MIGHT be markers or attempted clues. For example In C1 the second half of the solution starts near text “after 10 minutes” or something like that, which is a sensible place to look for something if you know you want 10 last things. But it is meaningless without knowing that you are looking for 2 sets of 10 letters, that you are looking for letters at all, that they are on different pages, etc.

    The directions of the hunt implied to me that you had to “order the keys” which were the keys granted for answering chapter questions. So logically I spent months trying to order the qns and answers in logical ways.

    How anyone was ever expected to peck around in the text for letters is beyond me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobster View Post
    Look, I'm not here to bash Ron personally. He's had a hard enough time with his eagle drama and the hunt not turning into what he envisioned. I truly believe that in his mind he was doing something in an attempt to help cancer research.

    BUT... I am venting about wasting an extreme amount of time trying to solve a puzzle that appears to not actually have any pieces.

    bookworm says: "I disagree with the statement that there are no clues in the book, at least with chapter 6"

    Let's look at the facts:

    1. Not a single "book clue" has been mentioned in any single chapter solution from any prior chapter winner. Chapter 1,2,3,4,5 were solved 100% by clues posted on Facebook.

    2. When asked if there are clues in the book, the author is not even comfortable stating that there ARE clues in the book, even though the introduction that he wrote says there are.

    3. With the first 5 chapter solutions published, not a single person has been able to reverse engineer solutions in the book that match the published solution. Knowing an answer, it should be extremely easy to find the path that leads to it for all chapters. Yet in all these years no one has found anything.

    I am an open minded person. I would love to see some evidence that there are rational clues in this book that lead to valid solutions. As of right now though, there is zero evidence that there are.
    Let me run something by you, and tell me what you think.

    It seems to me that chapter 5 had the most book clues. The theme of the chapter was 15. You knew that from the last line of chapter 6 q.3. Chapter 5 q.3 and q.12 were used for the solve. 3+12=15. You knew to use questions 3 and 12 because chapter 4 q.3 and chapter 6 q.12 were both written in tap code. I am not sure if you could have figured out the -5 or +5 without the FB clues. But one way might have been by getting the first number of the alpha sequence to 15 and the second sequence started 14, 1, which totaled 15.

    All that seems so easy now. Anyone want to speculate on chapter 6? I will share my thoughts later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dawnplayer8 View Post
    Let me run something by you, and tell me what you think.

    It seems to me that chapter 5 had the most book clues. The theme of the chapter was 15. You knew that from the last line of chapter 6 q.3.
    ... seriously... look in the next chapter's questions for a number that ties the solution together? If the number 15 appeared in a Ch 9 question would you still say that was a clue for chapter 5?

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