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    Default RustyNail: Conspiracy Theory III



    This forum, these scrolls, and the ScrollQuest "company" have become a complete joke. So, let's talk about an idea that has crossed most of your minds by now. Are the prizes for these hunts real, and will they ever be awarded?

    Fact 1: no hunters

    What good is a treasure hunt with no treasure hunters. I count only about a dozen hunters on this official forum that post over the past few months. The Gris-gris forum has been idle for almost 3 weeks. The Idol (idle?) forum has not seen a serious clue discussed since September. You may notice a few lurkers browsing the forums every now and then, no doubt just curious if anyone has solved the scrolls yet. Can you hear the crickets?

    Fact 2: no sponsors

    What good is a treasure hunt with no treasure sponsors. Where are they? Who knows. Lafitte, gaby, beth, and others have done a good job speaking their customer service woes which have fallen on deaf ears. They apparently make appearances at comic conventions, but we have to settle for fictitious customer service reps and maybe a quarterly news post.

    Fact 3: do the math

    They have advertised $50K+ in prizes won and another $175K up for grabs. Let's assume their funding for the $175 still up for grabs comes from the sale of scrolls. Further, let's assume there is a high profit margin on each scroll (no support costs, no office space, no capital investments). I would be willing to guess they have no more than $0.50 overhead on each scroll, including shipping and handling, so they would make $4.50 profit per scroll. To break even on $175K in prizes, they would have to sell over 38,000 scrolls. Do you really think if they sold 38,000 scrolls, and this is THE official forum, you would only see a dozen or so people on the forum and correspondingly small number of lurkers? You would have to assume that 37,990 people bought scrolls, looked at them for an hour or so, and said "I'll never be able to solve this" and threw them away. Or, maybe, just maybe, they have not sold nearly that many scrolls.

    Fact 4: no prizes

    Has anyone received a prize? I mean one that they could not have paid out of their wallets on any given day. Attempts at discussing the details of the GA prize were met with admonishments and claims of personal privacy issues from SQ, the supposed winners, and even the Tweleve mods.


    The Conclusion: no hunters + no sponsors + the math = NO PRIZES

    Read the fine print in the official rules on the back of the scrolls. SQ may withhold the prizes for as long as they choose. Go back and read that part. When to release the prizes is "entirely at the Sponsors discretion". Whether they ever existed in the first place, or were possessed by SQ, I'll leave it up to you to decide.

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    Rusty-

    Your section on the math is incorrect. The prizes are "valued at" $175k. ScrollQuest did not spend anywhere near that much on the prizes.

    You see, Jason made the mistake of selling us the first Scroll from his ebay account, and I have this nasty habit of spying on people whose ebay names I know. It's not hard to do, and I usually want to know what a seller is buying or a buyer is selling. I also wanted to understand his business model. (I was, and still am, a curious MBA. I want to know how people are making money.) He purchased many of the jewels at fractions of their "estimated replacement value" from a ebay store based in canada called skyjems.

    This is a link to an auction that ended yesterday that demonstrates how he purchased his jewels. For historical purposes, (because the ebay link won't be around forever) the auction was for a .45 ct Colombian Emerald with an "estimated retail replacement value" of $1125. It sold for the astonishing price of $15.50 plus $6.00 shipping.

    The Idol of Xi is studded with these babies. I'm guessing that is the only value of the idol, besides collectors value. The idol itself is likely made of fimo and spraypainted gold, with the jewels somehow affixed to the idol.

    I was able to confirm this process with the GrisGris doll, the pirate dubloon, the easter egg, and the idol. Shortly after that, Jason's ebay account was suspended for an unfortunate incident that involved selling 18 PSPs that weren't delivered.

    So, my guess is that they are in some $500 to $1000 for each prize, excluding the amulet which has actual value because of the amount of silver in it.

    There are obviously some other expenses involved. But I believe your other conclusions are correct.

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    Brady,

    Thank you for correcting my mistake. It was early this morning when I wrote that, and I had not had my second cup of coffee yet. I had considered the value markup before, but forgot to put that in my post.

    What do you estimate the likely resale value to be for the Gris-gris doll and the Xi idol?

    -Rusty

    p.s. Awesome detective work! The real treasure here might be exposing a scam.

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    I'm writing this just to present more facts, not take sides.

    I do have the Opal Ring of Unity. The ring itself was hidden by SQ, so I didn't have to claim anything.

    There was no advertised value, so there was no misadvertisement. I'm not going to say what it was appraised for, since there was no stated value, unless SQ says it's ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilhouse
    ...I'm not going to say what it was appraised for, since there was no stated value, unless SQ says it's ok.
    willhouse, that is your hard-won personal property, and this is America. You can tell us what it is worth without SQ approval. It must be pretty cheap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rdshackleford
    willhouse, that is your hard-won personal property.  You can tell us what it is worth without SQ approval.
    Rusty, fair enough.

    My brother is a professional jeweler and I had him look at it. The band is 10k white gold, the opal is real but a common type, the diamonds are real.

    He say it's probably worth in the neighborhood of just under $100.

    But of course, as won treasure, to me it's priceless.

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    According to the Pirates Magazine Premiere Issue:

    "Thousands upon thousands of eager treasure hunters have gotten in on 'ScrollQuest Fever' and spend their time scouring the countryside in search of hidden riches."

    And:

    "KING: I remember getting our first shipment of scrolls from the printer and thinking, 'There is NO WAY we are going to sell all these.' Then the next week we had to reorder."

    So, there is at least some claims towards how many scrolls have been purchased, although I agree that I would bet many people have purchased the scrolls and given up pretty quickly.

    And, I may remind you all, the Pirates hunt is probably more guarenteed because it is from a magazine company with at least two magazines it publishes. So, maybe we should focus on that (cuz winning a sword would be awesome!). Not that I'm doing much better on that one though ...

    And I guess if you want to investigate from a different angle, maybe drop Pirates Magazine some questions because in their article, they make the same claims ScrollQuest makes, such as "And later this month they are releasing a book entitled The Ambrose Archive: a ScrollQuest Compendium" which would be later August? and you could ask Pirates about false advertising ...

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    I am so glad to see that people are opening their eyes to what I ahve been saying for a long time. I feel for those who have not received prizes or merchandise. I did finally receive my refund but only after finally contacting cthree at twelve.org. I wish everyone success in getting what they are due.

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    Quote Originally Posted by missjax

    And I guess if you want to investigate from a different angle, maybe drop Pirates Magazine some questions because in their article, they make the same claims ScrollQuest makes, such as "And later this month they are releasing a book entitled The Ambrose Archive: a ScrollQuest Compendium" which would be later August? and you could ask Pirates about false advertising ...
    I sent Pirates Mag. an e-mail in Sept. regarding this very issue. I too purchased the premiere mag in August and was under the assumption the compendium was coming out then. That basically started my whole mis trust with S.Q.'s "official" announcements.
    In my e-mail I invited Pirates Mag. to read the forums here at Tweleve. My concern was that they might lose customers due to S.Q.'s lack of proper P.R. statements. Troy is now the P.R. guy and I hope this type of thing won't happen again.

    My e-mail to Pitates mag. has gone unanswered.
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    lafitte,

    A lot of things lately have gone unanswered. September 27th was the last time a post was made by ScrollQuest. And it was the usual post---apologies all around, then more broken promises made.

    Also, my emails to Curtis Burdine, the Customer Service Rep have gone unanswered.

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