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    All right everyone, let's figure this hunt out. No breaks, no sleep, no video games until this is solved. For starters, will someone please PM me the past 20 years of notes and ideas?
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    Quote Originally Posted by erexere View Post
    All right everyone, let's figure this hunt out. No breaks, no sleep, no video games until this is solved. For starters, will someone please PM me the past 20 years of notes and ideas?
    Start on here (tweleve) with the appetizer of ideas...then head to quest4treasure....and read the novel. Or, just go at it fresh (which is propably the best) so that your ideas are not tainted. But first, pull out the two t hat have been solved.

    I hope to have a varifiable solution soon myself.

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    Erexere:
    Please before you post, go over what has already been discussed and posted. It's a lot of material. A LOT. But if you see your idea already posted, it's going to be best if you don't REpost all the same stuff that we've been through for several years now.

    New ideas area more than welcome.

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    I'll be using erexere at q4t once approved. I'll be sure to drink a heavy dose of tenacity and patience before diving into the annals of The Secret. Thanks for the support.
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    I believe I've found something valuable that the Q4T search box couldn't help with.

    There's a common theme in associations to things having to do with Lord/King/Don. I'm wondering if there is a resource in things having to do with Lord Byron. Lot's of research to be done yet, as I haven't any experience with his writings and I have no experience with the French language. I do recall someone posted a pic of Lord Byron for some reason, but nothing came up as text-type discussion. Does anyone know, was BP very into French?
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    Ex, I'm not sure why you would need to worry about French if you were researching Lord Byron--since he was British, not French. He was one of the great Romantic poets--I doubt anything in the Secret, since it is a very American treasure hunt--would have much to do with him. All the locations except one are in the US, and the only one that isn't is in Canada, highly likely to be in Montreal.
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    oh yeah, I was bound to figure out Lord Byron wasn't French once I got serious into my research... I'm really trying to understand the author's thinking somewhat. So he's a Byron, why not connect his material to another Byron and see what gels. The French connection is because I was looking at a French version of Don Juan. doh!
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    Actually, have you looked at the solutions on the two that were found? That ought to tell you a lot about how Preiss thought and how the hunt is structured. The two were Cleveland and Chicago, Image 4 plus Verse 4, and Image 5 plus verse 12. They are actually very straightforward. The paintings hold images of actual things in the area--for instance, the Cleveland image has an outline of the most famous building in the city (The Terminal Tower) upside down in the trees on the left--and the columns and fountain were in the Cultural Gardens intact. There will always be a longitude and latitude of the city in each painting--though you might have a problem deciding WHICH of the numbers you find are those lat/long coordinates. There will be a picture of the EXACT location of the casque. In the Cleveland pic it's the wall just over the fount, in the Chicago pic it's the little "fence-like" thing under the archway on the castle hat. Some things are redundant, some things are allegorical, some things don't mean anything at all--but when you do find something you'll probably recognize it. Remember, that this hunt was put together 30 years ago--before 9/11, before airport security, before Hurricane Katrina--a lot has changed. I'm probably not telling you anything you don't already know, but it's good to remember these basics before you "overthink" a solution. For instance, the Houston casque is probably long gone, because the location where it was buried is gone--bulldozed over in fact (the Children's zoo). Ditto for New Orleans, though there might be a shot yet at that one. The rest? Who knows. The verses have very little "cryptic" stuff. Only one so far was known to have any hidden clues--the anacrostic SELOY in verse 9 probably points to the Fountain of Youth park in Florida (the explanation of what that means is in the thread on Q4T). None of the others seemed to have anything like that in them. He didn't use anagrams, he didn't use rebuses (not that we can see, anyway,) and any clues in the verses may only rely on double meanings, word-play or allusions to actual things that existed (i.e., in verse one, the phrase "take your task to the number 982" referred to the #982 train that went to the zoo--very direct clue.) There are some quotes from very obscure literary works--and it's my belief that BP threw those in because he was a publisher, and was familiar with such obscure things. That may be the only concession he gave to really cryptic clues. I don't personally think there is a lot else that is so obscurely veiled.

    Anyway, I don't mean to lecture--you'll find a lot of repetition on the Q4T forum threads because every so often someone comes along and wants to reinvent all the wheels rather than working with what has already been discovered. That is, of course, anyone's privilege!
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    bless you for that. The despoiling that the passage of 30 years of time has had on The Secret's casques is a numbing reality. This is why I believe people will continue to fervently work to discover the remaining locations to prevent further losses and to honor a legend in the treasure hunting community.

    I've given serious attention to about 3 or 4 thousand posts now and have tried to follow the links, some of which no longer exist. I've gained some experience with wheel reinvention already and I thank the open community for quickly pointing out my oopsies...which has actually helped bolster my confidence and maybe put me on the path of being a competent cooper-sleuth.

    I like the developing profile of his methods developed from the first two solves and the other prospects which look spot on. Something that caught my attention in the Cleveland article was BP saying he thought they'd all be quickly found after the first one in Chicago was pinpointed. Can we interpret this to mean that it's likely he built all the locations upon similar methods? I try to imagine how he did all this before google: He researched travel guides, popular news papers, recalled interesting scenic places he'd been in his past or seen on TV or in a film (drawing from his film experience), then he'd draw up his itinerary and quickly hop from site to site (airport to airport), rent a car, scout out his candidate area, quickly bury casque, put shovel, overalls, and big rubber boots away, wash hands, take lots of photos, find a 1-hour photo shack, go back to airport, look over pics and start writing the rough drafts of what would end up being the verses while the site is fresh in his mind and he's waiting for the plane to land near his next destination.

    The lat/long numbers are tricky and only give a general location. The real pinpointing looks to require a total meld of verse and art. Get one detail wrong and the difference between 10 or even 30 feet is colossal when it comes to breaking earth and then that expensive ground radar equipment just sounds better and better.

    I'm really interested in BP's obscure references to old books, history and folklore. It's still not clear to me what his "backbone" method would be. Obviously the fairy folk are worked into everything, but I think there's something subtle and more compelling yet to be deconstructed.
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    Yes!! That's exactly what I meant by looking at the other two solves! I DO believe he buried the casques with the same methods. It was all done rather quickly, you know--it wasn't planned over years; and yes, he DID believe it would all be over very soon. I think that's why the prizes weren't much to go after. The value of the "jewels" was relatively low, and the only real excitement would not be in the prize itself, but in the hunt and the find. Who doesn't love buried treasure? I know for a fact he never believed it would take more than a year to find them all. Also remember, this was in the very beginnings of treasure hunting books. Masquerade had been such a big hit and absorbed so many people that a lot of publishers were jumping on the bandwagon to get their own treasure hunt books out there. Preiss had connections in the art world, and managed to get his done rather quickly--but he does say that the bulk of The Secret has really nothing whatsoever to do with the actual treasure hunting part. All those little humorous pieces about the "fair folk" are just filler. So what do we have, really? A sort of cobbled-together book, for publishing's sake only, a lot of humorous pieces written at various times and by a whole crew of people, a publisher who had the means and mobility to place items of low worth into plexiglas boxes and bury them around the country in 12 locations, a frontispiece of "information" about fairies and jewels and a fairly quickly-written bunch of "clue" verses. Mix all that up with three decades of severely world-changing time and you get a whole boatload of obscurity--but that doesn't mean the hunt was more complex than it is! I think that's what most people forget. It was never MEANT to be that difficult!
    You pretty much described the method he used to a T. It wasn't thought out very DEEPLY.

    When it came to the paintings, he even used an artist that already had some works finished--the Chicago picture was painted before the hunt was conceived. It's called "Castle Hat". Palencar has it on his website for sale. I think the "backbone" method, as you so beautifully put it, was just to get as many "hard" clues in the paintings as could be put in without them looking too contrived and "mappy", and then to disguise most of the location with riddling verse.

    I don't think we'll find actual casques. The one in Milwaukee was pretty much pinpointed by hard work and sleuthing by Animal Painter. She dug and dug in many places and came up with nothing. The trees have literally grown up, died and rotted away. And any time you bury something beneath a tree, you're going to have roots destroy it in less than 10 years. I wonder if Preiss actually realized that, or if he didn't really care because he knew it wasn't going to stay buried that long? I'm betting on the latter. For picture 10, Boston's Copley Square fits most of the visual clues in the image. But Copley Square has been dug up and repaved and re-configured TWICE. In picure 8,the Children's Zoo has been bulldozed away completely. We figure that Image 2 is Charleston SC, Image 3 is Roanoke Island, Imgae 7 is New Orleans, Image 6 is Florida and 12 is New York City somewhere--any place EXCEPT Central Park, where BP says no casque was buried. Beyond that, it's all up for grabs!

    Yes, the Lat/long numbers only pinpoint the CITY or general location. That is only a confirmer. However, they can be tricky: in Image 3, there are no less than 9 numbers. The location could be anywhere from Ft Wayne Indiana, to Adirondack Park, NY!
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