+ Reply to Thread
Page 2 of 2 FirstFirst 1 2
Results 11 to 20 of 20

Thread: Lumberman's Arch

  1. #11
    Domino's Avatar
    Domino is offline Expert Twelever TwelevePlus
    Sapphire
    Domino is on a distinguished road
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    On Location
    Posts
    1,637

    Default

    As long as you can consider it from an early 1980's perspective..it is clear. -Smile, Dom


  2. #12
    erexere's Avatar
    erexere is offline Expert Twelever TwelevePlus
    Emerald
    erexere is on a distinguished road
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    Springfield, Oregon
    Posts
    1,967

    Default

    I think the flower, which looks sufficiently close to the Lumberman's arch tree base outline, is intended to be a poppy.

    Poppy makes sense since it's significance in Canada is to honor fallen soldiers. Remembrance Day in Canada is November 11th,
    and is also referred to as "Poppy Day".

    I was looking at the index fingers in image 9 and they both look like they are furled slightly to disguise the idea that if they were
    both pointing up, that could be an indication of the number 11. The eleventh day of the eleventh month might be what that
    is indicating.

    I was looking at pictures of poppies and some other artists' versions. The bunched up orbs in the center of the JJP drawing
    looked like coconuts or a pile of cannonballs. Apparently poppies have these budding orbs in their centers. Sorry I don't know
    my flower anatomy so well, but I think this is a good fit.



    Remembrance Day is the day which the cenotaph in Victory Square is intended, so if this is a poppy, it does justify that idea.

    Also this looks like a strong consideration, this 1980 sculpture, the Gate to the Northwest Passage:



    ========================

  3. #13
    erexere's Avatar
    erexere is offline Expert Twelever TwelevePlus
    Emerald
    erexere is on a distinguished road
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    Springfield, Oregon
    Posts
    1,967

    Default

    I missed the part about taking "east" steps. My Victory Square idea uses southwest steps. So that voids this plan. Back to the drawing board.
    ========================

  4. #14
    erexere's Avatar
    erexere is offline Expert Twelever TwelevePlus
    Emerald
    erexere is on a distinguished road
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    Springfield, Oregon
    Posts
    1,967

    Default

    ========================

  5. #15
    erexere's Avatar
    erexere is offline Expert Twelever TwelevePlus
    Emerald
    erexere is on a distinguished road
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    Springfield, Oregon
    Posts
    1,967

    Default

    **Will be making changes to this**
    Integrating the Image elements in bold,
    Hat is the shape of Mitchell Island south of Vancouver // Cambie Street northbound connects you to downtown Vancouver where it adjusts to northeast travel until you cross Pender and land on Highway 7A (Hastings St.) at the site of the Victory Square WWI cenotaph. Go west, passing rail cars, marina, and northward view of Deadman's Island, then turn southwest for one block and then northeast on Pender St. to the entrance of Stanley park where you are greeted by the massive enthusiastic posture of the statue of Lord Stanley. Circle Stanley Park and take in the sites. The Harding memorial, the 9 o'clock Gun, Lumberman's Arch, the miniature train, the Hollow Tree, Siwash Rock, and the burial cairn of poet Pauline Johnson (looks more like the blob than anything I've seen yet).

    In the shadow
    Of the grey giant
    // The famous Hollow Tree of Stanley Park. A western red cedar tree, said to be the oldest and biggest tree in the region.

    Find the arm that
    Extends over the slender path
    // The 9 O'clock Gun is an "arm", but this line fits the Lumberman's Arch best as it extends over a narrow path.

    In summer
    You'll often hear a whirring sound
    // Also along Hastings is a dense boat marina.

    Cars abound // Travelling W on Hastings in downtown Vancouver you pass a huge waterfront area with rail cars.

    Although the sign
    Nearby
    Speaks of Indies native
    // (?) Look for a marker that speaks about the Natives of "XwayXway".


    The natives still speak
    Of him of Hard word in 3 Vols.
    // The Harding Memorial with established by a Native American named organization, written in granite about the Harding speech. A three volume set of books titled Presidential State of the Union Messages 1790-1966 contains President Harding's words. The Harding Memorial is near the Pavillion just beyond the entrance.

    Take twice as many east steps as the hour
    Or more
    // Use the 9'oclock Gun as input to get 18 or more steps originating from the east, therefore it is west we walk. (Is there a wind direction motif anywhere?)

    From the middle of one branch
    Of the v
    //

    Look down
    And see simple roots
    // The giant checker boards, there are three.

    In rhapsodic man's soil // Lord Stanley (His statue with raised arms in a rhapsodic pose of welcome at the entrance to Stanley Park).

    Or gaze north
    Toward the isle of B.
    // The Legend of Deadman's Island. It was discovered originally as a Native American burial site where hundreds of red cedar boxes were lashed to the upper boughs of the trees below them the "fire-flower" (Poppy) would grow where the warriors fell. The boxes were filled with these warrior's bones. A common symbol for bones is an "X". A box with an "X" in it seems like a connection to image 9. The isle was off limits to the public during the time Preiss would've buried a casque, so it's an unlikely place for us to consider as a treasure ground. This site is seen most easily in 1982 when gazing north from the corner of Hastings and Jarvis. This is a good place to turn south for a block to land on Pender St. in order to continue on to Stanley Park.

    If the legeater is the equivalent of the CPR, and the blob is P.J.'s cairn and the flower is the Lumberman's Arch are smaller pieces of the art, then the largest parts, the hat, head, neck collar, hans, and checkers are the best candidates for the treasure ground. I think the hands represent the Hollow Tree, but I've also cited the verse for doing that with the first line. I think the most central element tends to be the correct answer (fence in Chicago, wall in Cleveland), which means the collar portion or checkerboards might be the most central, though I think the checker boards are kind of background. I think the collar has a sketch line of a trail...
    ========================

  6. #16
    erexere's Avatar
    erexere is offline Expert Twelever TwelevePlus
    Emerald
    erexere is on a distinguished road
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    Springfield, Oregon
    Posts
    1,967

    Default

    Blob

    Blob







    ========================

  7. #17
    erexere's Avatar
    erexere is offline Expert Twelever TwelevePlus
    Emerald
    erexere is on a distinguished road
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    Springfield, Oregon
    Posts
    1,967

    Default

    maybe this isn't the blob. this blob might just be a cluster of buildings as seen through the window of the square sculpture, Gate of the Northwest Passage.

    this might be at the site of the v. There is a v shape below the neck of the carved profile. a "v-neck" perhaps? I think this matches closely to the faint sketching of a letter y on image 9's decolletage.
    ========================

  8. #18
    erexere's Avatar
    erexere is offline Expert Twelever TwelevePlus
    Emerald
    erexere is on a distinguished road
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    Springfield, Oregon
    Posts
    1,967

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by erexere View Post
    maybe this isn't the blob. this blob might just be a cluster of buildings as seen through the window of the square sculpture, Gate of the Northwest Passage.

    this might be at the site of the v. There is a v shape below the neck of the carved profile. a "v-neck" perhaps? I think this matches closely to the faint sketching of a letter y on image 9's decolletage.
    Maybe this makes sense, 180 rotation with horizontal flip, same method used with the centaurs tail to match the cleveland cultural garden,

    ========================

  9. #19
    erexere's Avatar
    erexere is offline Expert Twelever TwelevePlus
    Emerald
    erexere is on a distinguished road
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    Springfield, Oregon
    Posts
    1,967

    Default

    (Concerning the legeater lamp) The Vancouver/Montreal stretch defies belief unless you consider a special case where the CPR specifically spans Canada from points Montreal and Vancouver.

    I got a vintage map in the mail today. It clearly marks the location of the checkerboards I've been looking for. There are in a triangle bordered setting.

    (I should've been more careful cutting this open, I cut the map by accident).



    I outlined several of the park's tourist attractions,
    1) Checkers: there are three patches of checkers on the man's robe and each estimate to have the same number of black checker squares, which is a good comparison to the three checkerboards here in Stanley Park. The configuration is almost exactly the same for both, having one board in the center and two boards shifted off center. Those in the park are turned at an angle making a cup shape \ _ /.
    2) Miniature Railway: legeater lamp belongs to George Stephen, as does the No.374 of the CPR which is in miniature in this park.
    3) Harding Memorial: Him of Hard word, this is an extremely good link to the verse.
    4) Lumberman's Arch: It's a grey arm extending over a slender path and it's base is similar to the flower outline in the image.
    5) Nine O'Clock Gun: This is also an arm, but it links to the interesting choice of words in verse "take twice as many east steps as the hour," the hour being "nine o'clock".
    6) Hollow Tree: This is just a hunch, the hands along the wrists have approximately the shape of the tree. This might also be the grey giant.
    7) Pauline Johnsons Monument/Gravesite: More than a few things about this site stir my interest. (will discuss more later)
    8. Deadman's Island: A Natives tribal burial grounds with boxes in the trees containing the bones of warriors. Possibly why a big X is drawn inside a square.


    As you can see, there's a lot of markers that can potentially fall into place and they account for almost all of the attractions of the park. I don't know how St. Louis or Montreal might be considered a better fit at this point. I've studied the St. Louis theory enough to see it's largely vacant as far as having any serious take on the verse or even a cohesive working of the image.

    I still don't know what the 'v' could be. I'm uncertain on whether "east steps" is steps coming from the east or steps going east. I know I'm looking at a wind direction perspective, but why wouldn't Preiss simply say "steps east". There's no preservation of rhyme to utilize the reversal. I think it's clear that if we are taking steps, then it's not going to be through a heavy brush or very rugged terrain. My guess it's in a setting close to grass and near a trail.

    Here's another comparison, again it's not in perfect match territory but this being one of Vancouver's most recognized buildings, I think it's very good in terms of gut feeling. The man's overall headshape, skinny neck and square filled torso area all work into this fit, The Harbour Center,

    ========================

  10. #20
    erexere's Avatar
    erexere is offline Expert Twelever TwelevePlus
    Emerald
    erexere is on a distinguished road
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    Springfield, Oregon
    Posts
    1,967

    Default

    About the legeater- place yourself in Stanley Park thinking how to construct your collection of clues. You've decided to bury the casque a certain number of steps west of the center of a giant checkerboard. There is a notable miniature train feature nearby. The No.374 is a replica of a historically relevant journey of a CPR train from Montreal where the owner and president of that train company has a well known home on the historic register: the Mount Stephens Club. Nice lamp. Nice obscure yet completely pertainant clue. Lets mix it with a blob and orient it to fit the gap of the Gateway to the Northwest Passage sculpture to honor George Vancouver.

    This sculpture offers too much to be disregarded. I've closely cropped the window inside the frame to show how the break in the bottom is highly consistent with the placement of the legeater where it breaks through the frame of it's square. A range of backgrounds are available depending on where you stand to look through this gate. One can even gaze in the direction of a large island called Bowen Island northwest of this site. Notice the cluster of buildings to the lower right corner. I don't know what this looked like in 1982, perhaps a blob match was more evident in the skyline back then.

    ========================

+ Reply to Thread
Page 2 of 2 FirstFirst 1 2

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts