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    Ok, so I don't think this has been specificaly mentioned before, but if it has then please forgive me. Anyway, I was thinking about the phrase that someone on here said mike said, "there is a secret in the title." Now it just might be that it is the anagram that is given from the senquence of numbers in the book. Or maybe it really is something more.

    Using the senquence of numbers in the book, we get Secrets of Michael Stadther. Using that if you look at the beginning letters of each word you will see the letters SOMS when pronounced this rymes with MOMS or TOMS so what if SOMS is supposed to be PSALMS. I know this is refrenced to the bible.... but it isn't the first thing remember "Seek and ye shall find?"

    So I was thinking "Ok, now I have a bible book, but what chapter, what verse" The only thing I can come up with is PSALMS 24:24 Because of the number of letters in Secrets Of Michael Stadther. Well, I checked it out and it seems that Psalms 24: only has 10 verses so maybe this isn't exactly what he intended, but who knows..... Check it out and see what you think.


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    very good gamepro.. i made a thread about the connections to the bible way back when the hunt first started, maybe you'll want to check it out.. but I'm sure noone has mentioned your idea yet. Although, i've strayed very far from the bible connections by now, it may be good idea to look into it a little more. good work.
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    i'll just post some of the info from that thread here to make it easier.

    http://www.darkfiber.com/pz/chapter1.html
    there are several paintings/drawings of jesus christ with his hands in this position. but its very hard to find the meaning behind it, believe me i've searched and searched for hours and the best information i could come up with was in the link i provided in the first post. A funny thing is that the fingers on anna's left hand are never shown throughout the whole book until page 112 when she is wearing the red diamond ring and making the hand gesture with her left hand. It is my belief that something in this book will eventually lead us to a bible passage. There are a few things that led me to this idea.

    1) "seek and ye shall find" the same idea coming from Matthew 7:7 in the bible. Also if you go just a page back to 6:19 it talks about treasure. Maybe just coincidence but it mentions the words 'moth' and 'doth' in the same passage! If you read from 6:19 through 6:22 there are definitely some interesting ideas.

    2)just two books back of Matthew is the book of Zechariah/Zac. Again maybe just coincidence.

    3)Ana is seen throughout the book wearing a wreath of flowers, maybe symbolism to jesus wearing the wreath of thorns before he was persecuted.

    4)perhaps the biggest thing that led me to the bible is the Grow/Mold/WORD idea. word being 'the word of god'.. This is one of the first things I noticed in the book. Notice in the background of the spell page is the apple tree. Now flip to p.58 and we see the same apple tree and Ana picking the apple from the tree. I immediately thought of Eve picking the apple from the tree in the Garden of Eden. This is backed up by turning back to the Grow/mold page and the words "make humans leave" and "no food for them".. exactly what God does to Adam and Eve when they eat from the tree. This story is found in the book of Genesis in the first few pages of the bible.

    5)Finally, "A good beginning makes a good ending".. I originally thought this just referred to the ambigrams.. ex. The beginning of the word Grow (G) is also the ending of the word Mold (D).. however in the last few pages of the bible in the book of revelation, God says several times, "I am the Alpha and I am the Omega" meaning I am the beginning and I am the end. Alpha and Omega of course being the first and last letters of the Greek alphabet. Also, according to some, Omega is what inspired the idea of infinity! Again tieing back into the idea that Jesus is the way to eternal/infinite life.

    So we are referenced to the beginning of the bible with Adam and Eve and the end of the bible with the alpha and omega idea. Also the book of Matthew could be considered the middle of the bible b/c it starts off the New Testament.

    its probably just red herrings or us reaching too far.. but i guess its a good thought to keep in the back of our minds in case something does actually end up leading us to a bible passage.

    doubtful, but still possible.
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    After reading gamepro and kappy's ideas I did think of a way of solving that would have been kind of ingenious but so far it hasn't worked out. You know how Mike used the dropcap letters artistically and used them for maps in the first book. I thought when gamepro and kappy mentioned the bible that it would have been ingenious to use first letters of the bible chapters (or dropcaps) to spell out locations. There are many of them and in my KJV they are enlarged and start every chapter just like in Mike's books. If you took a book of the bible and then used certain chapters (numbers) to accumulate letters to spell out locations, now wouldn't that have been something? And the holy bible is everywhere and easily accessible. What do you think?

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    thats along the same lines i was thinking.. I honestly havent worked on any bible connections since the beginning of the hunt. back then, I took quite a few number combinations ive found and tried to apply it to the bible, but never got anything that looked too promising. I'm not too sure this would really be probable unless we were given instructions to do so though. but who knows, maybe we will find something telling us to do this later on in the hunt..
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    A secret in the title

    t i t l e

    t= cross? (as in christ's cross) ... or this

    X i X l e

    _ i _ l e

    b i b l e ?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by wvtrovergirl View Post
    A secret in the title

    t i t l e

    t= cross? (as in christ's cross) ... or this

    X i X l e

    _ i _ l e

    b i b l e ?????
    i like it!
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    Hi Kappy,

    A couple days ago I was looking at the link you provided when you first mentioned you had started a bible thread a while back.

    It’s a great link.

    I tried to research that hand position a few times without much success. I don’t think it is a coincidence that Ana’s hand portrays that position, especially since we are searching for Fairy Rings of Eternal Life.

    Something else that was mentioned on the Sotad forums is that the caterpillar block contains the letters AO which could allude to Alpha and Omega.

    If the bible needs to be used in some type of cipher format I’d start with KJV since I believe it is the most prevalent version out there.

    Although I originally thought Mike probably wouldn't use religion, "seek and ye shall find" does come directly from Matthew 7:7 so anything is possible.

    This Morse phrase used is only 1/3 of that scripture which reads:

    Ask, and it shall be given you; seek and ye shall find; knock and it shall be opened unto you (Matt7:7)

    In July I posted something on the Sotad forums that perhaps we needed all three parts of this scripture aligned like a syzygy to obtain a ring.

    It is farfetched but, possible that some of the Trovers walking among us may be decoys or fairies, so to speak, both dark and light, prepared to give us direction both valid and bogus once we post an idea. (Ask and it shall be given you)

    Then we need to ... (seek and ye shall find). Once we are able to discern the pertinent information from the bogus or “wheat from the chaff” we may be fortunate enough to find a solution.

    Lastly (knock and it shall be opened unto you). We may find solutions but still remain unclear about redemption as many have mentioned. This is where we must “knock” or attempt to get Mike the solutions by any reasonable means.

    Perhaps I’ve digressed a little from the original intent of the thread which was questioning if there could be some biblical connection to a solve. It seems quite possible to me. I’ve also seen references to a number of other belief systems as well including paganism and witchcraft. Maybe this book was put together in such a way that Mike is demonstrating how varying belief systems can live in harmony upon the pages of this fantasy so why not have this idea transcend the book and spill out into our fragmented society.

    WV, I like your idea too. Pretty cool.

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    Thanks for the input anneiam. All of the information you gave was very interesting. I hadn't paid much attention to the biblical references until now. I find it fascinating that there are so many links to it in image and text. I also kept thinking about the last hunt's non-book clue for rusful that had the letters in a "cross" formation. It sure would be something if the actual solves have something to do with the bible. I hope someday we will find out. Maybe February will bring news.

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    I have been playing around with this today...

    24 letters each:
    SECRETS OF THE ALCHEMIST DAR
    SECRETS OF MIC HAELSTADT HER

    11 letters remain the same S, E, C, R, E, T, S, O, F, T, R

    13 letters change giving us the following if you put them together:
    TM, HI, EC, AH, LA, CE, HL, ES, MT, IA, SD, DH, AE

    Wonder if this means anything? How may this be used? 5 of them could be abbreviations for US states. HI, LA, MT, IA, SD ??


    We also have 12 blocks in the book with 2 letters each as follows:
    ET, RC, EH, TS, ME, FR, LT, CD, EA, IS, SH, AO
    These came out to spell Secrets of the Alchemist Dar or
    Secrets of Michael Stadther

    I thought of combining the two but didn't have much luck there.

    Thoughts?

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