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    Default Thinking 3243 and Morse

    While thinking today I came up with something....

    The symbols used in morse code all have 1, 2, 3, or 4 symbols used for each letter. When classifying them here is the rundown.


    Letters with 1 morse symbol: E,T (2 letters total)

    Letters with 2 morse symbols: A,I,M,N (4 letters total)

    Letters with 3 morse symbols:
    D,G,K,O,R,S,U,W (8 letters total)

    Letters with 4 morse symbols:
    B,C,F,H,J,L,P,Q,V,X,Y,Z (12 letters total)


    Eliminating E,T (letters with only one morse symbol) would leave 24 letters

    So what can we do with this?

    Maybe this?

    Make a clock with the twelve hours.
    At 12, 3, 6, and 9 put the 4 letters A I M and N (kind of like North, South, East and West) These have the 2 symbols each.

    The numbers in between are 1,2,4,5,7,8,10,11
    Put the 8 letters D G K O R S U W. These have 3 symbols each.

    At this point we now have a letter with each number on the clock.

    This leaves us 12 letters left. The ones with 4 symbols each. B C F H J L P Q V X Y Z.
    Put those 12 letters on the clock so that now each hour on the clock has 2 letters each.

    This should give us the following.
    12:00 AB
    1:00 DC
    2:00 GF
    3:00 IH
    4:00 KJ
    5:00 OL
    6:00 MP
    7:00 RQ
    8:00 SV
    9:00 NX
    10:00 UY
    11:00 WZ

    Since E and T are so commonly used maybe they should go in the middle of the clock????? Or is there another idea for those two letters?

    Any ideas where to go from here?

    Any input would be appreciated.
    This may not amount to anything. Let's try anyway ok?
    Oh yeah, I used the international morse code in case anyone was interested.

    Thanks,
    wvtrovergirl

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    That was an interesting analysis, wvtrovergirl.

    I looked at your lists for the different number of symbols at chose a letter from 3 2 4 3. One word formed this way is SAYS.

    I haven't had time to look closely at the clock.

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    Thanks Knocka,

    That is interesting. Another idea I just had was that there are two hands on the clock. Maybe the E and T could be those. It is hard to discard them since they are used in so many words.

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    Default Thinking 3243 and Morse

    Is there another way to pair letters to populate a clock? Maybe the idea of the A and N being mirrored in Morse. They could be put on the same hour on a clock. I don't think there are 24 mirrored letters though. Ideas?

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    On my original post, this explains it in more detail.....

    time / 1st number of morse symbols / 2nd number of morse symbols
    12:00 / 2 A / 4 B
    1:00 / 3 D / 4 C
    2:00 / 3 G / 4 F
    3:00 / 2 I / 4 H
    4:00 / 3 K / 4 J
    5:00 / 3 O / 4 L
    6:00 / 2 M / 4 P
    7:00 / 3 R / 4 Q
    8:00 / 3 S / 4 V
    9:00 / 2 N / 4 X
    10:00 / 3 U / 4 Y
    11:00 / 3 W / 4 Z

    E and T not used (1 morse symbol each)

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    Nice post. I have been populating clocks for some time now. I don't think he would leave E and T out of the picture, though...

    Just my two cents.

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    I like your clock idea. You could use a 24-hour clock, if you wished, as in military time. Also, why not take care of two extra letters in the same ways that the alphabet is made to fit a 5x5 table? The conventional way to eliminate one letter is to have I and J share the same position, but in ATT the letter Q was omitted instead. There are probably other letter pairings that have been used, but I haven't researched this. Having X and Z share the same position seems like another good possiblity, for example.
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    good ideas.. ive been working with a 12 to 24 setup for over a year and havent thought of this.. although I did try to pair each letter with its reflected morse letter.

    anyway, I am about 99.9% confident the book uses a cipher very similar to this, the trouble is finding what letters are paired together, and where to place the pairs around the clock.. like everything else in the book it involves a lot of trial and error.

    anyway, a new idea just sparked for me.. "year of ye hest 3243"..
    -perhaps HEST should populate the 3243 spots on the clock. HT share the 3 o'clock position. E at 2 ,and S at the 4 position... it seems logical. now finding a pattern to help populate the rest of the clock..

    there are soooo many ways to do this kinda setup....
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    So should we make an AM and PM clock with 12 letters each then? Let's exhaust every avenue with this. Any more ideas we can try, anyone?

    wvtrovergirl

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    I like it......

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