# Thread: DAR According to Mister_Gizmo Part 3

1. ## DAR According to Mister_Gizmo Part 3

Part 3: The Cross Symbols

These symbols confused me for over a year. I tried everything I could think of to make some kind of a mathematical pattern out of them that made sense. The objective, was to make the short strings on page 6 say something meaningful. What I finally did, was to recreate every symbol of this symbol set onto a single sheet. After awhile, I noticed that there were similarities between some of the symbols, so I rearranged them into groups as shown in the illustration called Cross Symbol Worksheet. It also appeared to me that the symbols I had rearranged into the various containers, were actually the same symbol flipped horizontally, vertically, or both.

After further study, it occurred to me that there was never more than one crescent shape in any of the cross symbols. I then created the chart shown in the illustration called Cross Symbols. This is the numbering system associated with these symbols.

There is vertical and horizontal flipping involved with these symbols in the HCB, and the short strings on page 6, so in the illustration called Variable Cross Symbols, I've made a chart to simplify calculating the values for these particular symbols.

2. Geez, Gizmo, this is fascinating. Now I have to go get my dusty dog-earred SOTAD book and notes out of the attic! Nice job, keep the posts coming!

3. Nice job. Very detailed. To bad no solution with all that hard work.
If we mirror, flip, rotate every symbol down to only X amount of different symbols, how many are left?
Maybe it isn't quite so mathmatical and more just a matter of 5 different symbols? or however many there are.
Anyone know how many if they are all put into similar groups by flipping, rotating, mirroring?

4. Wow indeed Mr G....and a big hello to all here at Tweleve. It has been sooooooo long since even checking out these boards. I spend my time now over on Q4T still working on "The Secret". There was a link over there to here regarding Gizmo's posts so I just had to pop in and check it out.

Very impressive work. My one question is.... Could a 13 year old figure all of this out? I know I would have never stumbled onto this and 13 was sooo long ago for me. Is this really how it was to be solved? Will we ever have anything definitive from MS? Oh well.....

5. Originally Posted by lindenmi
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If we mirror, flip, rotate every symbol down to only X amount of different symbols, how many are left?
Maybe it isn't quite so mathmatical and more just a matter of 5 different symbols? or however many there are....
I agree that the symbols should be able to be rotated or flipped without changing their value. Also, entire strings of symbols should read the same if rotated or flipped. Here is an example:

Small circle = 1 "light"
Small dot = 1 "dark"
Small empty crescent = 2 "light"
Small filled crescent = 2 "dark"
Large circle = 2 "light"
Large dot = 2 "dark"
Large empty crescent = 4 "light"
Large filled crescent = 4 "dark"

Apply these values to the first combined string on page 6 & you get (dark/light) combinations: 1/2, 1/2, 1/2, 1/2, 1/3, 1/1. Combining first and last, working toward the center you get: 2/3, 2/5, 2/4.

Using a pseudo base 8 system these combos convert to the base 10 numbers 19, 21, 20. The first two convert to SU.

Now comes the "infinity" part. Using a 24 hour clock, a 26 letter alphabet and 3 rings (as suggested by the 3 eclipse spells) you get this

ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWX
YZABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUV
WXYZABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRST

UVWXYZABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQR
STUVWXYZABCDEFGHIJKLMNOP
QRSTUVWXYZABCDEFGHIJKLMN

So after using the S & U from the first 3 rings, you need to go to the next 3 rings (because you can't go backwards) and the 20th letter is N.

Put it all together and you get SUN. Do this for the other string and you get MUHN (moon?).

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