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    Default DAR According to Mister_Gizmo Part 6

    Part 6: Page 6

    Now that we have our alphabet and numbering systems figured out, itís time to test it out on something from the book before we tackle the HCB. Page 6 should fit the bill nicely.

    It shouldnít be a surprise to anyone reading this that the four strings of symbols on page 6 need to be assembled into two. This is a subject that was discovered early on in the contest. I donít remember who the original discoverer of this was, but it saved me some time, so thanks.



    In the illustration of page 6, youíll notice that Iíve labeled the four strings Group A, thru Group D. Iíve also identified an axis point. To see how this works, you really need a piece of tracing paper, a well sharpened pencil, and a pin. Step 1 is to place the tracing paper on top of page six, then while holding the paper in a stationary position, trace the two strings D and B. Next, turn the paper upside down, and align Group B with Group A. Trace the Group A symbols into Group B. Slide the paper over to the left, and align the Group C symbols with Group D, then trace the Group C symbols into the Group D symbols.

    Now turn the paper right side up, and realign the symbol strings to the Group D and Group B symbol strings. Now place the pin through the paper into the center of the axis point. Rotate the paper 180 degrees. The symbol strings are now oriented correctly and are in their proper placement on the page. If you now look through the paper, youíll see the words SOLOS by the upside down version of string CD, and the word LUNAR directly below the upside down version of the AB string. You donít need to trace these words, but just write them on your tracing paper where they appear on page six. If you did everything correctly, your tracing paper should now look like the following illustration.



    Weíll now add our handy dandy alphabet, and plug in some numbers from our various numbering systems, and see if we can make those two strings of symbols say something relevant.




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    Gizmo -

    I was with you until you started saying that there are obvious errors in the code.

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    Gizmo,

    One minor correction:

    If you now look through the paper, you’ll see the words SOLOS by the upside down version of string CD, and the word LUNAR directly below the upside down version of the AB string.
    The upper ambigram does not say "SOLOS", but "SOLIS". The little circle on top of the elongated elipse in the 4th character is meant to be the dot on top of the "i". The same circle in the 2nd character is meant to be ignored, resulting in an "o".

    Why do I say this? Because "solos" in Latin is the accusative form of "solus", which in English means "only". But "solis" in Latin is the genitive form of "sol" (sun), which in English means "of the sun" or solar!

    [For nitpicky Latin scholars out there, yes, "solis" can also be the dative or ablative form of "solum" (soil) or "solus" (only). But in context, next to the English "Solar Eclipse", "solis" is "of the sun" or solar.]

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    mr g i remember this discussion ,on old dar forum,
    about the phone key pad, we couldnt make it work, because of the #1
    had no alpha, i dont think we ever thought, to move alpha and #s
    over to #1, and start it like a numerology type count,
    hence the constellations, and that dam count down clock,
    like you have
    so maybe its a deliberate error in the code, so you would look at it
    differently. good work.
    im starting to see, the values in #s/ie moon code
    i always thought the value to # and alpha was there, just could not see how,
    and come to think of it there are hints, in the morse, that was found to
    flip, rotate, as well as the non book clues, saying the same things
    im still thinking the other ills outside of hcb contain hints, to the way
    of the solve
    im still going over the other parts, and im starting to see it.
    but i also think maybe, there was an easier way to get there.
    you keep posting we will keep working too
    thanks for sharing, as i dont think mike is going to confirm, your work
    or anyone elses, he seems to have stepped way back, from this.
    i guess it could be, some kind of legal thing too. time will tell

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    Quote Originally Posted by sageimac View Post
    Gizmo -

    I was with you until you started saying that there are obvious errors in the code.
    First off, I didn't say it was an obvious error, I said I believe it was an error. I have no idea what the original intent was, but the object of everything else, is to be able to spell something forward and backward on the same line. This, therefore, is out of place with everything else.

    Tomorrow or the next day I'm going to post on this forum, several lines of the HCB. I duplicated what was on the printed pages of the book, simply to get the lines separated, and to make them bigger so I could work with them. During that process, I would create enough symbols on a page, so I had a pretty good selection to borrow from. In the case of the symbol I mention in this post, I would have borrowed the original symbol, then deleted anything in it that wasn't required. In the same fashion, if necessary, I would add to it to complete a symbol. I caught myself on more than one occasion making a mistake on a symbol. I would imagine that MS created his lines in the same fashion.

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    mr g from looking at your work, i think i see the
    red haring strings coming, and thats the redemption instructions,
    the rest was just confirmers to that end
    then again im prob wrong. i was wrong in how to make the symbols
    in the circles work

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    Mister_Gizmo-

    It really looks like you have found the solution here. Before you post the HCB lines, have you considered contacting Mike Stadther himself with your solution? I have always found him to be a very open and honest man in my limited dealings with him, and despite his (possibly legal, and possible forced) silence on the whole SOTAD matter, I could see him making good on some sort of prize, just as a matter of personal honor. And the man is a multi-millionaire, after all. PM me if you need his contact info.

    -Jake
    Redeemer of first ATT token: Dragonfly, May 22, 2005

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    Thanar,

    Thanks for the Latin lesson. I donít read, nor do I speak Latin. As a matter of fact, English is a second language for me. I do, however, speak fluent millwright so if you ever need any help with some of those intricate passages, let me know. The Millwright language is mostly common sense to interpret since itís profanity interspersed with dimensions from the blueprint the Millwright is building from. The level of profanity increases with the complexity of the blueprint being read, reaching itís peak when the blueprint was printed using metric dimensions.

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    Gizmo,

    Re: "millwright language" - just as the level of solver frustration increases with the complexity of the HCB

    You, however, seem to be the exception to that rule. Your solution descriptions so far are most impressive and I look forward to the remainder.

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    Speaking of errors, how many freaking errors were there in A Treasure Trove?
    I think it's ten fold in this book.

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